Weight Loss

Pappon · 15 April 2009

An insight into what Gav and myself would do to "strip" off fat down to the 3-4% range

upon waking
5g Glutamine
5g BCAAs
strong black coffee
30-45min powerwalk

Meal 1
1 protein shake (35g protein)
Oats (in water splenda to sweeten roughly 30g carbs)
1 teaspoon of flaxseed oil
multivitamin

Meal 2
1 tin of tuna (roughly 30g protein)
basmalti rice (roughly 30g carbs)

Meal 3
1 chickenbreast (roughly 45g protein)
1 sweet potato (roughly 40g carbs)
broccili

Meal 4
same as meal 4

Train hard and heavy 1 hr

Meal 5 (after weights)
1 protein shake (35g protein)
multidextrose mix (roughly 20g carbs)
5g BCAA
10g Glutamine

Meal 5
Salmon or Lean steak or chickenbreast (roughly 45g protein)
salad (2 teaspoons olive oil for dressing) or fibre type veggies (no peas or corn = starchy) if veggies are had after the meal 2 teaspoons of natural peanut butter (for healthy fats)
5g glutamine

kincella · 15 April 2009

Mr Burns...just wondering if you have noticed any benefits from the melon yet....any extra trips to the bathroom....watching the weight falling off...going down the gurgler ?
cheers
do you mind being called Burnsie ?

Happy · 15 April 2009

Pappon said:
5g Glutamine
..
5g glutamine

It is administered twice, with first and last meal.

Could you tell me what is the significance of it for the dieting body?
And why is time of consumption important?

MrBurns · 15 April 2009

kincella said:
Mr Burns...just wondering if you have noticed any benefits from the melon yet....any extra trips to the bathroom....watching the weight falling off...going down the gurgler ?
cheers
do you mind being called Burnsie ?

I dont think melon effects me that way, never noticed it.

How much of it should Ieat to get the desired affect ?

Also if you take multi vitamins for a month then stop dod you feel flat or listless ?

Call me what you like

Pappon · 15 April 2009

Happy said:
It is administered twice, with first and last meal.

Could you tell me what is the significance of it for the dieting body?
And why is time of consumption important?

Intense weight training lowers the bodys reserves of glutamine, with glutamine being a large component of the immune system supplementation is therefore beneficial for the hard training athlete to prevent illness and overtraining.

Glutmaine also plays a role in protein synthesis which is in favor of bodybuilders looking to increase lean mass.

The dosage after a workout is very important to prevent lowered levels of glutamine in the body for the above reason. It's normally spreadout throught the day to keep the levels high.

gouryella · 15 April 2009

Thank you Gav and Pappon, finally people with some common sense! There is so much mis-information out there these days, it really does frustrate me sometimes. I am 22 years old, have been training for a number of years, I have done a Personal Training course (which honestly made me dumber!) but decided not to enter the industry because to succeed I would have had to sell-out and compromise my own beliefs.

I was typing a reply to this thread a couple of days ago, but hit the close button half way through. I've tried to help too many people in the past, only to have them disregard my advice thinking they know better, or lapse into their old habits again because they just didn't have the desire or mental strength to change.

You have to feed your body what it needs, not the comfort and junk foods you crave.

MrBurns · 15 April 2009

gouryella said:
You have to feed your body what it needs, not the comfort and junk foods you crave.

That's another one I can think of when in the supermarket

gouryella · 15 April 2009

Good luck with it Burns.

Successful trading and investing takes discipline, eating should be no different. After a while it just becomes second nature and you don't even crave bad foods.

As they say, your health is your number one asset.

Pappon · 15 April 2009

gouryella said:
Thank you Gav and Pappon, finally people with some common sense! There is so much mis-information out there these days, it really does frustrate me sometimes. I am 22 years old, have been training for a number of years, I have done a Personal Training course (which honestly made me dumber!) but decided not to enter the industry because to succeed I would have had to sell-out and compromise my own beliefs.

I was typing a reply to this thread a couple of days ago, but hit the close button half way through. I've tried to help too many people in the past, only to have them disregard my advice thinking they know better, or lapse into their old habits again because they just didn't have the desire or mental strength to change.

You have to feed your body what it needs, not the comfort and junk foods you crave.

Gouryella i COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!! Results speak for themselves pics attached.

Unfortuantely the fitness industry is full of absolutely WOEFUL personal trainers that have picked up a slip saying they know it all. At the end of the day i'd say 90% of Pts can't even look after themselves because they don't even know how.

There's so many myths about eating for fat loss not helped by the media reporting on celebrities that themselves are useless grapefruit diet, soup diets Pfftt give me a break. Look where it got OPRAH that lady is one big fat oompa loompa herself and she never got it together

Happy · 15 April 2009

Pappon said:
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The dosage after a workout is very important to prevent lowered levels of glutamine in the body for the above reason. It's normally spreadout throught the day to keep the levels high.

Thanks for info.

Another few questions would be:

How do you know that you have enough of glutamine ?
Is it possible to have too much?
How would you know where you are with this supplement (are there any symptoms to prompt you either way to increase or decrease dosage)?

Pappon · 15 April 2009

Happy said:
Thanks for info.

Another few questions would be:

How do you know that you have enough of glutamine ?
Is it possible to have too much?
How would you know where you are with this supplement (are there any symptoms to prompt you either way to increase or decrease dosage)?

There has not been any reported side effects from overuse of glutamine, if you feel run down chances are your on the low side so add another 5g. If your not run down stick with your current dosage.

My routine is basically

5g in the morning
10g after weights in a shake
5g before bed

gouryella · 15 April 2009

Pappon said:
Gouryella i COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!! Results speak for themselves pics attached.

Unfortuantely the fitness industry is full of absolutely WOEFUL personal trainers that have picked up a slip saying they know it all. At the end of the day i'd say 90% of Pts can't even look after themselves because they don't even know how.

There's so many myths about eating for fat loss not helped by the media reporting on celebrities that themselves are useless grapefruit diet, soup diets Pfftt give me a break. Look where it got OPRAH that lady is one big fat oompa loompa herself and she never got it together

Well done, the pictures certainly do speak for themselves. I have a lot of respect for anybody that competes in bodybuilding, it takes incredible dedication to see it through to the end of a competition.

The general standard of personal trainers is poor, although there are some fantastic trainers out there, they are probably outnumbered 100 to 1.

The basics have been working for many years, and will continue to do so despite all the new fad diets. Eating foods that nature provides, not things that are processed and come in a box, a can or a packet. If something lasts for more than a week or so before going bad, chances are it's full of preservatives.

If something once ran, swam, flew, grew from the ground or on trees, chances are it's good for you. Foods that were available to the caveman... meat, fruit and vegetables in their natural form are good for you.

Things like potato chips, bread, cereals, pasta, desserts, fruit juices (with added sugar), biscuits and cakes etc... even alcohol. These should be avoided if your goal is to achieve or maintain a healthy weight.

Combine that with resistance and cardio training and it is impossible to fail.

Pappon · 15 April 2009

gouryella said:
Well done, the pictures certainly do speak for themselves. I have a lot of respect for anybody that competes in bodybuilding, it takes incredible dedication to see it through to the end of a competition.

The general standard of personal trainers is poor, although there are some fantastic trainers out there, they are probably outnumbered 100 to 1.

The basics have been working for many years, and will continue to do so despite all the new fad diets. Eating foods that nature provides, not things that are processed and come in a box, a can or a packet. If something lasts for more than a week or so before going bad, chances are it's full of preservatives.

If something once ran, swam, flew, grew from the ground or on trees, chances are it's good for you. Foods that were available to the caveman... meat, fruit and vegetables in their natural form are good for you.

Things like potato chips, bread, cereals, pasta, desserts, fruit juices (with added sugar), biscuits and cakes etc... even alcohol. These should be avoided if your goal is to achieve or maintain a healthy weight.

Combine that with resistance and cardio training and it is impossible to fail.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that's the best advice simple yet effective

mattlaw · 15 April 2009

Hi, just thought i would add my 2 cents. I changed my diet about 6 months ago e.g.
1. I stopped eating bread.
2. I stopped drinking milk.
3. i have alot more protien.

All of these changes have contributed to me losing 10kg, i have had asthma since i was born and i have not used any medication for 3 months, i had surgery when i was young to 'fix' my nasal problems which didnt work and my new diet has fixed that too.

Who would have thought that what you put into your body can have that much bearing, but it did.

I thought i was doing the right thing following the food pyramid then i found out that some farmers association made it up and then it was accepted as the diet for everyone.

Anyway i just try to eat real food and not processed stuff i also found out that alot of products that i was eatin gwith preservatives was causing my reflux.

matt

sam76 · 15 April 2009

just go out with a fat chick

centex · 15 April 2009

Great thread... learning lots

Can somebody please explain why alcohol consumption is so detrimental to the dieting process. Given that alcohol itself contains no sugar or fats obviously something else is at play????

I can understand why beer is no good. But vodka, scotch, wine????

gouryella · 15 April 2009

centex said:
Great thread... learning lots

Can somebody please explain why alcohol consumption is so detrimental to the dieting process. Given that alcohol itself contains no sugar or fats obviously something else is at play????

I can understand why beer is no good. But vodka, scotch, wine????

Protein contains 4 calories per gram
Carbohydrates contain 4 calories per gram
Fat contains 9 calories per gram
Alcohol contains 7 calories per gram

Alcohol also affects almost every process in the body. Alcohol is a poison, and your body wants to get rid of it as quickly as possible. To do this your body will compromise fighting illness, repairing muscle tissue and fat loss. Other effects include things such as lowered HGH levels, inducing dehydration, fatigue and vitamin and mineral depletion.

Alcohol really has no positive function in the human body. What's worse is that alcohol consumption usually goes hand in hand with over-eating of bad foods.

Harro7 · 16 April 2009

I'm 90kgs and 172 cms tall (a short ****).

Today I ate:
one slice of bread with ham.
2 bbqd chicken breasts.
2 portions of greek salad.
2 salada biscuits with ham.
1 big bowl of minestrone soup.

I'm wondering if that is an ok diet?

I exercise 3-4 times a week for an hour at a time. Other than that I'm pretty sedentary.

I'd like to get down to 70-75 in about six months if that's possible. I'm about a 6.5 on a scale of 1 to 10 in the motivation stakes (0 being not motivated).

I'm thinking of doing kennas program.

MrBurns · 16 April 2009

gouryella said:
Protein contains 4 calories per gram
Carbohydrates contain 4 calories per gram
Fat contains 9 calories per gram
Alcohol contains 7 calories per gram

Alcohol also affects almost every process in the body. Alcohol is a poison, and your body wants to get rid of it as quickly as possible. To do this your body will compromise fighting illness, repairing muscle tissue and fat loss. Other effects include things such as lowered HGH levels, inducing dehydration, fatigue and vitamin and mineral depletion.

Alcohol really has no positive function in the human body. What's worse is that alcohol consumption usually goes hand in hand with over-eating of bad foods.

Alcohol skews your entire functionality, if you overindulge that is, you tend to crave junk food the day after and it just generally stuffs you up.

If you abstain altogether you feel great, unfortunately in our social setup thats hard, so best to manage the consumption as much as possible.

MrBurns · 16 April 2009

I'm not at the kincella level yet but I'm down to one meal a day, no problem really, fruit and carrots and celery during the day and I'll tell you this you enjoy your evening meal a hell of a lot more by doing this, I am sort of at the stage where I could skip the evening meal so if I dont see any results soon that what I'll do.

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