Garpal Gumnut
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Tesla was always going to face headwinds as international competition improved their products AND the 'great EV narrative' had reached peak saturation and was starting to lose impactAs the big boys depart, the retail investors pile in.
According to a JP Morgan analyst, even as they downgrade the Tesla Sp expectations, retail buyers are pouring in.
Most times the big boys win.
Mick
From Bloombergs
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actually i am watchful for collateral damage as insurers face increased claims , and ( Tesla ) car loans come under increased pressureA couple of lunatics have been arrested for firebombing the LA tesla dealership, and another Trans activist has been arrested for chucking molotov cocktails ate Tesla dealership in northern Colorado.
They will be the next outrage point for the other lunatics to rally around when they go to court.
Mick
Musk might be better just buying those shares from the employees , after all they were mainly issued as productivity incentives , and the share sell should persuade Musk into increased automation in his plantsLast I read today Musk is asking his Tesla employees not to sell their shares.
Big money, big worries.
gg
Perhaps they can't start the robotaxi with this crap going on. Robotaxis in my opinion would be destroyed.
I reckon the car side of Tesla is done, but time will tell.Perhaps they can't start the robotaxi with this crap going on. Robotaxis in my opinion would be destroyed.
I suspect corporate money in a lot of this backlash
It's not just cars there either.It's the shrinking customer base that's the problem.
Elon's baby is really space x, I'd imagine Trump will find ways to keep topping it up through govt funds at the worst. I think at this stage the cult following with Tesla products is done for, they were targeted at modern day hippies with money and not sure how they'll return to this brand again.It's not just cars there either.
If you're a big utility company looking to spend $ millions on a battery installation, there's a few things you want over and above the product itself. One of them is some confidence the company will still be around to honour warranty on your $200 million purchase. The other is that you're not going to become a political target in any way, something the electricity industry is extremely conscious of.
All the attention on Tesla and its leader isn't doing the company any favours in my view.
I care more about SpaceX than Tesla, I hope engineers can get Starship to work without blowing up mid-flight.
Musk should of stayed out of politics and using X as his megaphone doesn't help either, spewing controversial stuff, his massive ego needs a reality check.
Probably a short play in here somewhere soon on next negative news cycle. You could see the news cycle turning last week and buyers would filter in and push the stock.Unfortunately the stock is holding so far.
The negative news cycle is also turning onto the protesters and democrats.
You downrampers had one job.
Jimmy Dore has an interesting little piece if you are talking about the current governor of Minnesota
Tesla’s Saudi Arabia Entry Puts Feud With PIF Boss to Rest
Tesla Inc. is opening up shop in Saudi Arabia in the latest sign Elon Musk has put to rest a once-bitter feud with one of the kingdom’s most powerful men.
The company will showcase its model lineup, plus prototypes of its Cybercab and the humanoid robot Optimus, at a launch event Thursday in Riyadh. Tesla has offered little detail about its broader plans, but at least one showroom is under development in the capital.
A Tesla showroom under construction in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on April 8.Photographer: Christine Burke/Bloomberg
Tesla’s entry into Saudi Arabia is a fresh signal Musk has mended relations with the kingdom after a spat with Yasir Al Rumayyan, head of the $925 billion Public Investment Fund. The two had a falling out after Musk tweeted in August 2018 that he had “funding secured” to take Tesla private on the basis of preliminary talks he’d had with Al Rumayyan.
Those discussions fell apart over a series of tense text messages that were later made public as part of a lawsuit alleging that the Tesla chief executive had defrauded investors. Although Musk ultimately was cleared, the PIF sold off its Tesla holdings and poured billions into rival electric-car maker Lucid Group Inc.
The first indication that the two appeared to have mended fences came in October, when Musk made a surprise virtual appearance at Saudi Arabia’s flagship investment conference, where Al Rumayyan was seated in the front row. Musk was then seen with the PIF boss and US President Donald Trump at a UFC match in New York in November, and attended a Saudi summit in Miami in February.
Elon Musk and Yasir Al-Rumayyan at an event in Miami Beach in February.Photographer: Roberto Schmidt/AFP/Getty Images
For Saudi Arabia, welcoming a new US automaker could be seen as a further show of good faith toward Trump and his America First agenda. For Tesla, its entry is indicative of goodwill toward the Saudis, and a signal the company sees growth potential in the kingdom as it battles a brand crisis and sales slump elsewhere.
“With Tesla sales down 13% year-over-year in the first quarter, any new market Tesla can enter will help,” said Seth Goldstein, an equity strategist at Morningstar.
Gene Munster, managing partner of Deepwater Asset Management, estimates Tesla could deliver 30,000 vehicles a year in Saudi Arabia after one or two years in operation. The company’s long-term growth prospects will still be dependent on the US, China and Europe, he said.
Tesla will face competition in the Saudi market from Chinese carmakers, whose models are popular with locals, as well as Lucid, which opened a final-assembly plant in the kingdom in September 2023. The PIF is the Newark, California-based company’s top shareholder and participated in a $1 billion offering of convertible senior notes this month.
The PIF has also made repeated cash infusions at Lucid as Saudi Arabia seeks to create a domestic auto manufacturing hub and have EVs account for roughly a third of cars on the road by 2030.
Tesla’s entry raises questions about whether the company will be a direct challenge to Lucid’s potential success in the kingdom, according to Damien Duhamel, managing partner for Eurogroup Consulting in the Middle East.
Outside the Elon mania /MSD, tariffs, etc, i just think Tesla has lost its technical edge and concurrence of much cheaper Chinese models is now a valid option.“With Tesla sales down 13% year-over-year in the first quarter, any new market Tesla can enter will help,” said Seth Goldstein, an equity strategist at Morningstar.
Outside the Elon mania /MSD, tariffs, etc, i just think Tesla has lost its technical edge and concurrence of much cheaper Chinese models is now a valid option.
Remove the wokism "i have a tesla anc i save the planet", it becomes hatder
Obviously with China / US tariff war, all tesla sales in China will get a hit....
Thanks for that John. I'm travelling long distance much less if not rarely now ( for me that is 1-3000k ) and have been comparing Tesla with BYD on reviews for city driving. BYD are making a big push advertising atm. and many of the reviews are obviously biased so it is good to hear from someone with hands on experience. I like the Tesla and would buy one tomorrow should the screws be put further on Elon and there is a sudden drop in the price of the new Y.That may be the case, however, once you compare the two products side by side side and live with both for a decent amount of time you will see which is a longer term option.
I’m involved in the automotive sector, and I can tell you from experience that the Chinese product is a throwaway item. Sourcing parts is difficult, the cost of the parts is ridiculous, the software is average and poorly updated, and the electronics fail not long after warranty.
In the end we get what we pay for. Like a good quality average price watch from Japan can cost $200 and last a lifetime, a Chinese copy for $50 fails in a few years.
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