The Voice

Sean K · 6 August 2023

Albo keeps digging deeper. This referendum is not about The Voice, that’s the Trojan Horse. The referendum should have been about implementing The Uluru statement in full. But he knew that wouldn’t get up. Talk about deception and misinformation! If he had have been upfront at the start he might have got more support on the back of a huge election win against weak opposition. If the referendum is held in October, Albo might be on the back bench in November.

TimeISmoney · 6 August 2023

wayneL said:
Shape of things before my eyes....

Qld is going to be a blood bath, these politicians have no idea what they're inciting.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news...ws-story/76c3c02c6d415abe4739d8aeb0c09fb2?amp

‘Go fk yourself, white c*s’: Inside tensions tearing Straddie apart

Online threats against holiday homeowners, unexplained land clearing and alleged secret agendas have raised fears for the future of one of Queensland's most beloved tourist destinations.

August 29, 2020 - 12:00AM
The Sunday Mail (Qld)

First look at $4.5 million Minjerribah cultural centre on North Stradbroke Island
“Go f--- yourself,’’ the bile-filled Facebook outburst threatened.

“I’m building a house on that headland for my kids so what you gonna say now you white c----s.’’
Behind the spectacular beauty and tourist-friendly facade of North Stradbroke Island, tension simmers – and just occasionally boils over.

At stake is the future of an icon; a 38km-long piece of natural perfection that is both a sacred home of its indigenous community and treasured hideaway of Queensland.
This paradise might be circled by cleansing, crystal-clear saltwater but it has a festering sore: discontent between Dunwich and Point Lookout residents and businesspeople about the island’s economic management.
Now online rants against holiday home owners, unexplained land clearing and alleged secret agendas and lack of transparency have left many of Straddie’s inhabitants fearing the island’s future could be jeopardised.
Hostilities escalated when Quandamooka Yoolooburrabee Aboriginal Corporation (QYAC)-employed ranger Patrick Coolwell threatened homeowners in a public social media tirade claiming Stradbroke had been living with “racial towns for years”.

A number of Facebook posts by North Stradbroke Island QYAC ranger Patrick Coolwell. Pictures: Facebook
“Point Lookout still trying to keep the blacks out of their home,” Mr Coolwell posted on Facebook last month.

TimeISmoney · 6 August 2023

Sean K said:
Albo keeps digging deeper. This referendum is not about The Voice, that’s the Trojan Horse. The referendum should have been about implementing The Uluru statement in full. But he knew that wouldn’t get up. Talk about deception and misinformation! If he had have been upfront at the start he might have got more support on the back of a huge election win against weak opposition. If the referendum is held in October, Albo might be on the back bench in November.

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They need to get into the constitution via the voice to have a treaty, they're not recognised as a separate entity from the crown. You can't have a treaty with yourself if you're already classed as part of the crown. The Voice on its own isn't a bad thing but it's what it can open up after it's been implemented.

wayneL · 6 August 2023

TimeISmoney said:
They need to get into the constitution via the voice to have a treaty, they're not recognised as a separate entity from the crown. You can't have a treaty with yourself if you're already classed as part of the crown. The Voice on its own isn't a bad thing but it's what it can open up after it's been implemented.

Therefore, a bad thing.

Garpal Gumnut · 6 August 2023

Knobby22 said:
Jon Faine's last ever column.

In my final column for The Sunday Age, I make one last plea

Having the opportunity to influence what people think has been a rare privilege. But a month ago, I was approached about joining the Museums Board.

www.theage.com.au

Thanks @Knobby22

That is a very eloquent , measured and determined argument for the Yes Vote from Mr. Faine.

gg

wayneL · 6 August 2023

Garpal Gumnut said:
Thanks @Knobby22

That is a very eloquent , measured and determined argument for the Yes Vote from Mr. Faine.

gg

Um, it actually stokes the divisions he claims the no campaign is responsible for, completely and unintelligently devoid of nuance.... Gaslighting pure and simple.

Sean K · 6 August 2023

Knobby22 said:
Jon Faine's last ever column.

In my final column for The Sunday Age, I make one last plea

Having the opportunity to influence what people think has been a rare privilege. But a month ago, I was approached about joining the Museums Board.

www.theage.com.au

Thank God. He was one of the morons responsible for alarmist Covid ads in Victoria that destroyed our State. Good riddance.

IFocus · 6 August 2023

So more fear mongering (issues that have nothing to do with the Voice) and still no valid argument supporting the No vote.

Racism, prejudice, ignorance and discrimination shining brightly right here at ASF never though I would see the day.

SirRumpole · 6 August 2023

IFocus said:
So more fear mongering (issues that have nothing to do with the Voice) and still no valid argument supporting the No vote.

Racism, prejudice, ignorance and discrimination shining brightly right here at ASF never though I would see the day.

What do you call a valid argument ?

There have been plenty.

- we don't know how much it will cost.

- we don't know if it will work

- it's existence is guaranteed regardless of whether it works

- we don't know who qualifies to be on it or who qualifies to elect it

- the Constitution should be for all of us and not give privileges to particular groups

- why don't Aborigines use the same methods to give advice to the government that the rest of us do, like writing or emailing their local MP or Minister?

- why don't Ministers/ MP's simply visit their electorates and listen to the vibe like they do for everyone else ?

etc...

IFocus · 6 August 2023

SirRumpole said:
What do you call a valid argument ?

There have been plenty.

- we don't know how much it will cost.

- we don't know if it will work

- we don't know who qualifies to be on it or who qualifies to elect it

- the Constitution should be for all of us and not give privileges to particular groups

- why don't Aborigines use the same methods to give advice to the government that the rest of us do, like writing or emailing their local MP or Minister?

- why don't Ministers/ MP's simply visit their electorates and listen to the vibe like they do for everyone else ?

etc...

Try Peter Dutton

Agrees there should be recognition
Agrees there should be a Voice

He is pushing the No vote.

Was he or Price at GARMA this year if not why not?
One of the largest Aboriginal meeting isn't Price meant to represent them?

Robs actually covered your questions or you can read the productivity commissions report covers them as well.

SirRumpole · 6 August 2023

IFocus said:
Try Peter Dutton

Agrees there should be recognition
Agrees there should be a Voice

He is pushing the No vote.

Was he or Price at GARMA this year if not why not?
One of the largest Aboriginal meeting isn't Price meant to represent them?

Robs actually covered your questions or you can read the productivity commissions report covers them as well.

Rob did nothing except call people racists, it seems you are following his lead

StockyGuy · 6 August 2023

Maybe secession? There's long been rumblings along these line regarding red and blue states in the US. All the Yes voters can maybe take the NT and northern WA, perhaps. There you can have your new constitution and live in your utopia. Enjoy!

IFocus · 6 August 2023

StockyGuy said:
Maybe secession? There's long been rumblings along these line regarding red and blue states in the US. All the Yes voters can maybe take the NT and northern WA, perhaps. There you can have your new constitution and live in your utopia. Enjoy!

Haha there's lateral thinking SG, being a Sandgroper secession would be welcome for WA get rid of all the Eastern State bludgers being stumped up continually by WA while racking up insane levels of debt with nothing to show for it.

There's an hand grenade ? ?

sptrawler · 6 August 2023

IFocus said:
Try Peter Dutton

Agrees there should be recognition
Agrees there should be a Voice

He is pushing the No vote.

Was he or Price at GARMA this year if not why not?
One of the largest Aboriginal meeting isn't Price meant to represent them?

Robs actually covered your questions or you can read the productivity commissions report covers them as well.

Well it would have been interesting viewing, with the ABC ( Albo's Broadcasting Commission) on hand. ?

All we would need would be to have Sky news on hand and there would be a free for all. ?

IFocus · 6 August 2023

SirRumpole said:
Rob did nothing except call people racists, it seems you are following his lead

Perhaps it should be denigrating Aboriginals what ever it doesn’t solve the problem which remains the No vote problem no alternative or solutions just the sky will fall in afraid it just doesn’t cut it

wayneL · 6 August 2023

IFocus said:
Perhaps it should be denigrating Aboriginals what ever it doesn’t solve the problem which remains the No vote problem no alternative or solutions just the sky will fall in afraid it just doesn’t cut it

There is something i notice about people with no punctuation...

StockyGuy · 6 August 2023

IFocus said:
Haha there's lateral thinking SG, being a Sandgroper secession would be welcome for WA get rid of all the Eastern State bludgers being stumped up continually by WA while racking up insane levels of debt with nothing to show for it.

There's an hand grenade ? ?

Um didn't mention any secession for "WA", as such. The WA secession thing is one of those weirdo thought bubbles - yes biggest state with tiny population has a lot of currently highly in demand exportable stuff, like iron ore, in the ground.

Good luck defending ya self with a population of 2.8 million. But also the whole of our continent is extremely mobile - it's very common for a family to have some branch over in WA or here or there - our language and culture is basically identical all over the country. Fair number of WA people are over there to avoid an ex, or maybe they went there to snag an overly-paid mining job. Unless you've been there like 40,000 years, your or your family likely moved FROM the east coast to the west at some point.

Using absurd terms like "Eastern State bludgers" would possibly hold some water if WA economic performance was down to being some kind of manufacturing powerhouse. Was gonna say if the stuff in the ground ceased being so profitable other states would not try to secede from WA, but then I know you'd all just move back over to the east coast if things ever got really rough

Smurf1976 · 7 August 2023

IFocus said:
Perhaps it should be denigrating Aboriginals what ever it doesn’t solve the problem which remains the No vote problem no alternative or solutions just the sky will fall in afraid it just doesn’t cut it

The big problem is the people don't trust government to not use it against them.

That's what it comes down to. If we had trust in government the debate would be radically different.

TimeISmoney · 7 August 2023

StockyGuy said:
Um didn't mention any secession for "WA", as such. The WA secession thing is one of those weirdo thought bubbles - yes biggest state with tiny population has a lot of currently highly in demand exportable stuff, like iron ore, in the ground.

Good luck defending ya self with a population of 2.8 million. But also the whole of our continent is extremely mobile - it's very common for a family to have some branch over in WA or here or there - our language and culture is basically identical all over the country. Fair number of WA people are over there to avoid an ex, or maybe they went there to snag an overly-paid mining job. Unless you've been there like 40,000 years, your or your family likely moved FROM the east coast to the west at some point.

Using absurd terms like "Eastern State bludgers" would possibly hold some water if WA economic performance was down to being some kind of manufacturing powerhouse. Was gonna say if the stuff in the ground ceased being so profitable other states would not try to secede from WA, but then I know you'd all just move back over to the east coast if things ever got really rough

If the only beer sold was emu export, I'd promise you everyone would leave in a hurry.

mullokintyre · 7 August 2023

IFocus said:
Perhaps it should be denigrating Aboriginals what ever it doesn’t solve the problem which remains the No vote problem no alternative or solutions just the sky will fall in afraid it just doesn’t cut it

Thats a bit rich coming from a bloke who accused a prominent Aboriginal Woman of "hating blackfellas" with whom who he disagreed.
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