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The ugly face of capitalism

I went to buy three pint of beer and a schooner of cider, sounds good, yeh $90Aus I nearly fainted, I thought I was in Sydney. lol

Not quite fair here SP. Norway tax levels are higher than ours (to support their welfare state) but the reason for the eye watering cost of beer is the very high specific taxes they put on alcoholic beverages to reduce alcoholism. Certainly a very discouraging cost..

https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/08/norway-considers-5-booze-tax-increase/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Norway
 

I was just saying compare apples with apples, their welfare system is in some way better than our's, but those on the street may not think so.
I certainly don't think the homeless there, would think life is better than here.
We have this propensity to believe that the poor, live the way they do, because they haven't a choice.
I know from life's experience, they do in Australia, the problem here is we give them an attractive option. I know people will shout that down, but I know from the source that is reality. Sadly
 


Probably the worst thing you can do is to push hard for FTA's because other countries know it is so important to you that they can beat you down to their own advantage.

Better just to slap high tariffs on anything that other countries export to us and let them make the advances.
 
It is a difficult balance IMO, the World has limited resources, so it make sense to extract and develop them in the most efficient way.
The problem with that is there is winners and losers, the losers get a lower living standard, the winners get a higher living standard.
The only thing that doesn't remain constant is birth rate.
Our manufacturing is being offshored to lower wage Countries, also those from lower wage Countries are coming here for our welfare, which was supported by our manufacturing industry.
So we now are starting to canibalise our wealth, to support our welfare system, that was supported by our industries.
It isn't a good scenario.
 
Well to put it another way, check out how hard it is to qualify for Norway's or any other European welfare system, as opposed to ours.
I know quite a few Aussie's that are married to Thai lady's, they aren't investing in Australia, they are buying land etc in Thailand and waiting to qualify for an Australian pension.
The problem with that is, those of us which chose to live and grow old in Australia, have to sacrifice our retirement to support others that chose a different path. As was shown at the last election, by the Labor platform and it was nothing to do with the excise on alcohol.
 

Do vegans eat tinned tomatoes?
Can you post some graphic footage of the accident?
 
I'll tell you what Bas, when I came to Australia as an eight year old kid, in the mid 60's it was a hard place, there wasn't much money around.
I went to school with a bread and sugar sandwich and we were all bare foot.
Then things picked up in the late 60's, and things have improved a lot, but trust me, it wouldn't take much to go back to the 60's.
We were manufacturing more, were were more productive and we wanted for less.
I think most now, think that we are somewhat invincible, how foolish we are.
All we do now, is take everything we have, for granted.
 
Why are Conservatives obsessed with a surplus ?
It all comes from about 30 years ago when debt came to be seen as universally bad and this was then the justification for mass privatisation of utilities and so on.

I remember a lot of those debates very well. You could talk all day about having $10 billion in assets but no Smurf, it's that $1.5 billion debt that's the problem and which simply must go you see.

Some years later that degenerated even further into assets literally being given away. Plenty of examples there from the Tote (Tas equivalent of the TAB) through to power stations in NSW being either sold for a token sum or in some cases literally $ zero.

Victoria had an actual debt crisis (Labor government) and Tasmania was well on its way to one (Liberal government) 30 years ago but beyond that the rest was just a convenient reason to sell things.
 
I think West Australia's natural resources wil keep us in shape......god help the rest of you
 
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