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nice stuff smurf.
Is Tassie a net importer or exporter of electricity?
do you think that if large scale electrical storage became a reality, then it would work in favour of the most efficient coal plants, and cause a flattening of the price which may knock out peaking plants and new renewable developments?
Smurf,
What do you say about the practicalities of power generation using bio ethanol produced from sugarcane ?
There are retrofit gadgets that convert diesel generators, allowing a wide variety of fuels to be burned. I remember Eden Energy's "Optiblend": http://www.edenenergy.com.au/optiblend.html.
The article doesn't specifically mention bio fuels, so you'd have to ask them.
I was thinking large scale. I saw something a while ago where Brazil I think were converting turbines that ran on natural gas to run on bio ethanol.
I'm sure it's possible, and if its practicable then it could be very good for cane farmers.
ethanol might be ok as a replacement in areas that are currently having diesel trucked in, but gas delivered by a pipeline would be cheaper, unless there was subsidies or laws which warped the economics.
Here is a lecture given by an executive from the Dow chemical company, It's long but he give some great insights into the pros and cons of using different feedstock's for the chemical and energy industries, it really helped me fill in a few areas when it comes to understanding the economics of the industries.
Shouldn't use food stuff to make fuel. There are other alternatives, like waste and landfill gases to feed the grids.
And I fully agree with you guys on the ethical side;Totally agree, the only time I support it is when it's made using a waste product of an existing industry, eg the sugar refining or the flour milling operations. But even then, I guess you have to look for better opportunities to use the waste in animal feeds or fertilizers if possible, it depends on the waste.
Smurf,
What do you say about the practicalities of power generation using bio ethanol produced from sugarcane ?
No energy get created..ever
So bio ethanol will never be used in power production, ever, in a rational world (which we are not) but it can maybe be usedin a fully fossil fuel free world for emergency generators in hospital/CBD or for peak time as a stored emergency supply
Am I mostly right Smurf?
It actually makes much sense and seems economically sensible already.
I did half a page answer this morning around 6Am, and then ASF servers crashed on me:
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Thanks Joe, was not aware and as you can imagine, the error notice was followed by a bit of imaginative language..If that happens again, go back to the same thread, start another reply and then click "Restore Auto-Saved Content" in the bottom left of the post editor. Posts are auto-saved as they are created and can be restored if the forum goes down or your PC crashes.
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the batteries don't generate power, they just store it. So at first it will be a zero sum game in that any power a household stores for later use is power that isn't being fed into the grid for some one else to use.
eg. if my solar system isn't feeding into my neighbors house while I am away, because the power is charging my batteries, then the neighbors are more reliant on using the grid at large (transmission lines, substations, coal plant etc) than they would be if the power was being sourced locally from the surrounding un used solar generation.
The real value will be to swap peak time consumption with off peak. the power comapnies will die if enough people can do this as most of their profits come from abput 2 weeks of the year when consumption really spikes. if there's no more periods where electricity is selling for 10K a MWh and they have to make do with a ceiling price of < $100 it will make life very hard for them. A lot of assets will be worthless, especially gas peaking plant.
Even without solar panels, it could be worth someone installing batteries and charging them in off peak and then using the cheaper power during the day.
if the electricity companies are smart they'll jump on installing it fast to keep retail electricity costs down, otherwise the death spiral is assured.
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