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Isn't the point here that we knew what had to be done, that there were plans available to make it happen, but the imperative was price over practicality, so it was not done.The only bit I disagree with is the references to "the last decade" which implies it's all the doing of the previous government.
Suffice to say the fundamental flaws in the market date back to the 1990's.
And is there anything that can be done?
The article makes it clear that political decisions underpin this mess.Rather than use the current situation as a political stage,...
I'm going with the version that all sides of politics are as much to blame as each other, on a Federal and State level.The article makes it clear that political decisions underpin this mess.
What version of history are you going with?
You think that a politician that has no role in making a decision is equally responsible!I'm going with the version that all sides of politics are as much to blame as each other, on a Federal and State level.
This has been in the making for a very, very long time and to name one politician or even one side of politics is immature and shows a complete lack of understanding, one politician hasn't caused the issue, one side of politics hasn't caused the issue.You think that a politician that has no role in making a decision is equally responsible!
Now I get where you are coming from.
Nobody doubts that decisions in the distant past affect our present energy system.This has been in the making for a very, very long time and to name one politician or even one side of politics is immature and shows a complete lack of understanding, one politician hasn't caused the issue, one side of politics hasn't caused the issue.
No the reality is with minimal Government interference, we have actually achieved a huge penetration of renewables, the grid from my understanding is being reconfigured to accept even more renewables and Snowy 2.0 and the second Tassie link is being put in to increase long duration storage. So to say they have done nothing borders on idiotic.Nobody doubts that decisions in the distant past affect our present energy system.
You simply refuse to acknowledge that from 2013 when Abbott got rid of the price on carbon there have been few decisions from the federal government - that's the one where the Coalition was in charge of energy policy - that were consistent within the NEM framework wrt securing the inevitable energy future, which was then and is now going to be dominated by renewables.
You have conveniently sidestepped the fact that for the past 10 years nothing was done to move us into a renewable future except for Turnbull's white elephant.No the reality is with minimal Government interference, we have actually achieved a huge penetration of renewables, the grid from my understanding is being reconfigured to accept even more renewables and Snowy 2.0 and the second Tassie link is being put in to increase long duration storage. So to say they have done nothing borders on idiotic.
Just because the transition isn't happening as fast as you deem acceptable, doesn't mean that it isn't happening, as with all your posts on most subjects, you want to make them into a political center piece, rather than just an informed debate.
I have already said I don't think Labor will do any better than the coalition, it will be a transition that has to be handled in a methodical way, that isn't driven by ideology, but by practical application, current technology, system development and financial caution.
The carbon tax Australia's own little home goal, as was said at the time, global warming is a global issue individual countries running their own little tax system would never work. A carbon tax needs to be an agreed global tax, that everyone recognises and adopts, but that wouldn't suit our little ego driven attention seekers would it.
I also said earlier that the leading technology as recently as 2017, was molten salt storage, that now has been found to need a lot more development, enthusiastically chasing brain farts, does nothing but cloud good judgements.
Yet you are dwelling on Tony Abbott back in what 2013, what about Labor allowing the solar panel industry to close in 2009, like that was a winner.
They would have been making a killing in 2013, when Gov subsidies for home solar panels were introduced
With the current issue Bowen didn't jump in lip first and handballed the decision making to the AEMO, so at least they appear to be take a more measured approach.
It will be interesting to watch how it unfolds over the next couple of years, I notice Labor haven't mentioned cancelling Snowy 2.0 you know the one that you say isn't required because E.V's are going to carry the transition, also no mention about Kurri Kurri yet.
So other than rambling on that we haven't got enough renewables, because of the last Government, maybe you could adopt a more positive outlook, you will only make yourself unwell dwelling on history and the last Government.?
In summary:
If there was not a lot of renewables installed already in the system, the coal generators wouldn't be having the trouble they are at the moment.
So to say the last Gov did nothing to encourage renewables is just nonsense.
Could they have done more, possibly, could the situation be more dire if they had? Also quite possible.
Will the new Govt do any better? Time will tell.
You see the issue from an administration, policy and political perspective, I look at it from a practical, technical and hands on background, this is due to our different careers.You have conveniently sidestepped the fact that for the past 10 years nothing was done to move us into a renewable future except for Turnbull's white elephant.
It's irrelevant what was done with minimal interference, as you put it, because what had to be done by the Coalition never was!
Your references to State actions is not relevant to the NEM or national energy policy. That's why we are here today.
You don't get it do you? When industry wanted to do what was needed, they want some certainty they would not be left with stranded assets, or at least assets that could not be amortised within transitional timeframes. They wanted to build, but wanted to know their commercial risk was going to be covered. As I said, read what went on.
That is a succinct point, who pays for the dead space between renewables being able to deliver and fossil fuel stopped?It's irrelevant what was done with minimal interference, as you put it, because what had to be done by the Coalition never was!
Whilst true, it would be pure politics to blame only the recent Coalition government given the problem with the NEM design goes right back to the start and was noted at least as early as 1993 that I'm aware of.Your point is a bit like knowing your engine oil needed replacing over 10 years ago, but despite this knowledge nothing was done to replace it. That is, it could have been fixed but wasn't, so it blew up in our faces.
The tail needs to be pinned on the donkey once and for all.
Politics versus action.2013 when Abbott got rid of the price on carbon there have been few decisions from the federal government - that's the one where the Coalition was in charge of energy policy - that were consistent within the NEM framework wrt securing the inevitable energy future, which was then and is now going to be dominated by renewables.
Labor has had no say in NEM and associated national energy policies for the past 10 years
As I'm sure you're aware:What I'm looking forward to is the acceleration that happens with Govt intervention, which obviously Labor are going to do.
It will be interesting to see if more haste makes less speed.
No matter how much money you throw at projects, there are constraints outside of your control, that affect the timeframe and cost.
So here is some of the perspective:Politics versus action.
9 years is more than enough to put policies in place yes.
It's not enough time to do the real work of implementation however unless a "crash through" approach is adopted.
A lot depends on perspective.
Without a policy that supports what should happen, it won't!You see the issue from an administration, policy and political perspective, I look at it from a practical, technical and hands on background, this is due to our different careers.
You aren't impressed because a policy and money wasn't thrown at it.
Well the new Government were fully aware of the issues and they have committed to a larger reduction in 2030, so by your reasoning they should have a policy and the answers ready to roll.So here is some of the perspective:
When industry and States were dissatisfied with the federal response to their growing concerns, and the South Australian "blackout", an extraordinary meeting was convened in October 2016 by Coalition of Australian Governments (COAG) Energy Ministers. They agreed to an independent review of the national electricity market, and it was Chaired by Professor Alan Finkel.
Finkel presented his Blueprint for the Future Security of the National Electricity Marketin June 2017.
Finkel set out the energy future and made this assessment:
"Australia needs to increase system security and ensure future reliability in the NEM. Security and reliability have been compromised by poorly integrated variable renewable electricity generators, including wind and solar. This has coincided with the unplanned withdrawal of older coal and gas-fired generators. Security should be strengthened through Security Obligations for new generators, including regionally determined minimum system inertia levels. Similarly, reliability should be reinforced through a Generator Reliability Obligation implemented by the Australian Energy Market Commission (AEMC) and the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) following improved regional reliability assessments. These obligations will require new generators to ensure that they can supply electricity when needed for the duration and capacity determined for each NEM region.The reliability of Australia’s future electricity system will be underpinned by an orderly transition that integrates energy and emissions reduction policy. All governments need to agree to an emissions reduction trajectory to give the electricity sector clarity about how we will meet our international commitments. This requires a credible and durable mechanism for driving clean energy investments to support a reliable electricity supply. Governments need to agree on and implement a mechanism as soon as possible. Ongoing uncertainty is undermining investor confidence, which in turn undermines the reliable supply of electricity and increases costs to consumers."
You don't have to be Einstein to work out that little of his blueprint came to fruition, just as Finkel's plans for a hydrogen future were put on a go slow process.
Without a policy that supports what should happen, it won't!
"Nothing" in this case is the practical outcome.
You can talk about anything extraneous you like, but there is a very simple bottom line. The levers that needed to be pulled when we were given a Blueprint for action, were not.
Industry had the money necessary to move us into our energy future, so the government did not have to "throw" any, as you suggest. I can only repeat that all this is a matter of public record.
Either you don't understand some of my points or you don't read what I write. On EVs for example I have consistently said that incentives are not well targeted, and made many suggestions about how less well off people could to buy them. In fact I even suggested that incentives could be applied to vehicles at such low price points that none presently sit there. I understand the need for better EV infrastructure is a concern but both federal and State governments have already committed monies. That's apart from the rollout being actively pursued by the private sector. This is another case of to little too late for early adopters, and no practical policy nor adequate funding for "blackspots".
I am clearly critical of the Coalition, but my posts often explain why and have an alternative to inaction or poor policy. As @Smurf1976 notes, Labor so far seems to be making the right moves. However, we might need to buy a very expensive band aid and hope it lasts long enough to see us into the inevitable transition to a renewables future with appropriate dispatchable storage backup (which I hope by 2030 will be hydrogen).
Labor laid out their policy and have made clear statements about the mess we are in which they had no say in for the past 9 years.Well the new Government were fully aware of the issues and they have committed to a larger reduction in 2030, so by your reasoning they should have a policy and the answers ready to roll.
Read the ISP - it's all mapped out there and it's the best industry has come with given Morrison's mob did sfa.This last week didn't inspire me with any confidence that they had the answers, or they would have rolled them out, it was the perfect opportunity, wouldn't you say.
I think you need to read what I wrote earlier about the ISP being available as a roadmap, and stop you personal point scoring attempts that I don't buy into.Let's be honest, you appear to have the answers, so they should also have them ready to go.
A price on carbon has been internationally agreed as the most effective means of moving away from fossil fuels and re-applying those monies towards transition.I guess the carbon tax we are so badly lacking will be first cab off the rank, I mean that is already written up and by what you said earlier should never have been thrown out.
It's the price we - collectively - have to pay when governments put ideology before a plan to prevent a problem from rearing its ugly head.By the way nice last line caveat on your post, just in case they blow up.
However, we might need to buy a very expensive band aid and hope it lasts long enough to see us into the inevitable transition to a renewables future
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