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Is Murrylink still operational?
 
Absolutely, McGowan is doing what Barnett did, says nothing and just gets on with the job. Very little BS, plenty of action, the way Government should be IMO.
 

You might be confusing Woodside with Shell
 
You might be confusing Woodside with Shell
No I know they are two seperate gas issues, Allan Carpenter organised the first gas reserve issue with Woodside from memory, then Barnett set up the 15% reserve for the Chevron Barrow Island and Scarborough field in the Kimberly from memory.
I would have to read up on it all to get the exact scenario, but both Carpenter and Barnett, went against big business in the best interest of W.A.
Also because of the gas reserve policy, the coal is shutting down very quickly in W.A, which is becoming a bit of a political hot potato with Collie.
There are 4 large gas turbines at Kwinana, currently Stages A and C steam turbines are being demolished, one would guess another four gas turbines will be installed in their place.
 
Is Murrylink still operational?
Yes - Murraylink (the DC link between Vic and SA) is still in normal operation.

For practical reasons it's running up to about 160 MW most of the time (capacity is 220 MW).

Flow has been in both directions but currently SA to Vic. If the wind stops or demand goes up (eg hot or cold weather) then it would be flowing in the other direction.
 

Nah Carpenter introduced it in 2006 same policy nothing to do with your idol Col
The ship offshore is The Shell Prelude Woodside are bringing Browse through Karratha they didn’t want Cols James Price Point
The Prelude was underway before they abandoned James Price Point
 
You might be confusing Woodside with Shell
Actually if you want to go back even further, Charlie Court (Liberal) Premier organised the first gas installation in the late 1960's.
He signed the W.A Government up to a take or pay contract, for gas they couldn't use, then SECWA converted Kwinana power station over from oil fired to oil/gas fired so that some of the gas could be used.
So in reality it isn't which Party is in Power it is the quality and vision of those in the Party that dictate how well they do.
That is why I'm not rusted on anyone, IMO in recent history Federally neither Party has been endowed with good politicians, it is just IMO the Coalition has been the lesser of two evils.
 
Nah if you want to be pedantic, Carpenters reservation policy, was a copy of Charlie Courts.

Domestic gas reservation policy[edit]
In 2006, the state government announced a policy requiring that future developers of export gas projects set aside 15% of the reserves in each gas field for domestic use within the state.[35] This policy replicated the initial State Agreement for the North West Shelf Project, and was based on a perceived decline in the availability of gas from non-export developments.
 
Only when it’s not your party is what you mean
Carpenter legislated it in 2006 end of story
 
Only when it’s not your party is what you mean
Carpenter legislated it in 2006 end of story
Yes however that didn't cover Gas in Commonwealth waters from memory. Barnett formalised the agreement with the Federal Government. You really need to lighten up comrade. Maybe a glass of rainex rust converter?

What happens if gas is processed offshore?
New developments in technology mean that:
  • gas projects which previously had to be processed onshore can remain entirely in Commonwealth waters; and
  • gas can be transported large distances through a subsea pipeline for downstream processing in other jurisdictions.
In these instances the WA Government has no formal ability to enforce the Domestic Gas Reservation Policy.
Premier Barnett has stated that the WA Government has approached the Commonwealth Government to include a domestic gas requirement as a condition for the grant or renewal of offshore petroleum leases in Commonwealth waters. It is so far unclear whether the Commonwealth Government is open to such a requirement.
 

Have you got a link to that agreement
Just wondering how they get 15% of their gas here if it isn’t processed here
 
Have you got a link to that agreement
Just wondering how they get 15% of their gas here if it isn’t processed here

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov....ate-gets-new-domestic-NWS-gas-commitment.aspx

Here is another Barnett article that is interesting, as IFocus says, we Barnett always had W.A at heart.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-28/colin-barnett-to-eastern-states-copy-wa-gas-policy/8311950

Allan Carpenter was a great Premier, it just shows there are some great reporters, he only stayed for a short period couldn't stomach the BS in politics. Top bloke, a man of principles IMO.

Getting back to the domestic reserve policy, what cracks me up is, the Federal Government is getting the blame for it when it is a State issue.
Some people are just weird.
 
It’s not like Woodside had an option it was legislated in 2006
Where’s the link to Cols commonwealth agreement?
 
It’s not like Woodside had an option it was legislated in 2006
Where’s the link to Cols commonwealth agreement?
Jeez talk about rusted on, you even said yourself, how could you reserve gas if it isn't processed onshore three posts ago. Just can't bring yourself to give any credit to anyone but Labour, you need to open up a bit, one side of politics doesn't have the monopoly on quality people, both sides have them.
Anyway back to the offshore gas, Barnett wouldn't let them develop it unless they agreed to his demands, a shame Eastern States didn't have the same attitude.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/wa-deal-lets-browse-project-process-lng-offshore/news-story/af0944896331e9002ed86c60b1987348&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

Also with regard the gas reservation policy, like I said Charlie Court started the reservation and it was formalised by Carpenter in 2006, but that was due to run out in 2020 when the last of the gas contracts was due to expire.
Barnett renegotiated an agreement in 2014, that included new gas fields, gas contracts and offshore processing, if you want any more info, look for it yourself it isn't that hard.
https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Hansard/hansard.nsf/0/7263acb6e65e387948257dc8000d9178/$FILE/A39 S1 20141126 p8830c-8832a.pdf

You know you can google the information yourself, while you're sitting in the donga.

On the same subject this is also why it is a State issue to reserve gas, they use it, the contract for gas reservation is between the supplier and the user.
 


There’s a paywall on you Link which means you obviously subscribe to it

Explains everything
 
There’s a paywall on you Link which means you obviously subscribe to it

Explains everything
No I don't subscribe, but if you open the link and wait 5 seconds, there will be a brief summary which explains the issue.
It must be lonely up there.
By the way, I don't subscribe to any newspaper or any other material, also don't watch the news, I read and gather information then work out the $hit from the clay. It would be great if everyone did it.
 
Paragraph 6 in the Hansard report, you can use your fingers, if required.
You certainly are a strange person.
Been in the 'wet' canteen have you?

Ffs
Do you understand the difference between the north west shelf and browse
 
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