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According to health ministry information from November 2016 to October 2020, the child suicide rate rose 49% in the second wave compared to the period after the nationwide closure of schools.
 
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Queensland legalises voluntary assisted dying



Voluntary assisted dying is now law in Queensland

This afternoon the parliament voted to legalise the right of the terminally ill to choose when to end their life.

The legislation demands the patient be -
  • Suffering intolerably from a terminal illness
  • Have fewer than 12 months to live
  • Have obtained more than one medical opinion
  • Be over the age of 18
  • Have the capacity to make the decision.
Medical staff and faith-run organisations will retain the right to conscientiously object.

Members of parliament were today given a conscience vote, meaning they were free to vote based on the opinions of their constituents as well as their own personal, religious and moral convictions, rather than be bound by their political party.

The legislation doesn't take effect until January 2023.

Victoria, Western Australia, Tasmania and South Australia have all passed voluntary assisted dying laws.



 

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Suicide rates officially down 6.2%. The lowest rate since 2013 for woman.
Deaths also fell across the 5 leading causes of death including heart disease, respiratory disease, dementia.
(This isn't going to suit the extreme left and right wing agendas.)
We are drinking alcohol a bit more though.


 
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Albert Edwin Trott (6 February 1873 – 30 July 1914) was a Test cricketer for both Australia and England. He was named as one of the Wisden Cricketers of the Year in 1899. He is believed to be the only batsman to have struck a ball over the top of the Lord's Pavilion. He is also one of only two players to take two hat-tricks in the same first-class innings, the other being Joginder Rao. Despite his notability, having played in 375 first-class matches including 5 Tests, he was almost penniless when he committed suicide at the age of 41.
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Full name at birthAlbert Edwin Trott
Claim to fame
Date of birth6 February 1873
Place of birthAbbotsford, Victoria
Date of death30 July 1914
Place of deathHarlesden, Middlesex, England
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Occupation categoryCricket
NationalityBritish

 
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Andrew Ernest Stoddart, one of the greatest of batsmen, died by his own hand on Saturday, the 3rd of April, shooting himself through the head.
A brilliant career thus came to the saddest of ends. Mr. Stoddart was born at South Shields on March 11th, 1863, and had thus completed his 52nd year.
Curiously enough, considering the great fame he won, he did not take to cricket seriously until 22 years of age, when he became associated with the Hampstead Club, and showed such form, scoring no fewer than five separate hundreds for that team, that before the end of the season of 1885 he had been tried for Middlesex.
From 1886 to 1898, except for the summer of 1888, when he was engaged playing Rugby football in Australia and New Zealand, Mr. Stoddart proved a tower of strength to Middlesex in batting, keeping up his skill so well that in 1898 -- his last full season in county cricket -- he averaged 52.
He soon became a popular idol at Lord's, his batting, in conjunction with that of T. C. O'Brien, making the Middlesex matches far more attractive than they had ever been before his day.
 
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On 12 April 1903 Shrewsbury bought a revolver from a local gunsmith. He returned a week later after having difficulty in loading the gun. The clerk found that Shrewsbury had the wrong bullets and supplied the correct ones.[48] Shrewsbury went to his bedroom that evening and shot himself first in the chest and then, when that did not prove fatal, in the head.[48]
His girlfriend, Gertrude Scott, found him bleeding from a head wound and by the time a doctor arrived Shrewsbury was dead. At the inquest, held the following day, the coroner decided that Shrewsbury had committed suicide, his mind having been unhinged by the belief that he had an incurable disease.[48]
The coroner added that there was, however, no evidence to show Shrewsbury was suffering from a major illness.
 
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King George V - euthanasia -
Bertrand Edward Dawson, 1st Viscount Dawson of Penn, GCVO KCB KCMG PC FRCP (9 March 1864 – 7 March 1945) was a physician to the British Royal Family and President of the Royal College of Physicians from 1931 to 1937. He is known for his responsibility in the death of George V, who under his care was injected with a fatal dose of cocaine and morphine to hasten his passing.

The First World War took a toll on George's health: he was seriously injured on 28 October 1915 when thrown by his horse at a troop review in France,[105] and his heavy smoking exacerbated recurring breathing problems. He suffered from chronic bronchitis. In 1925, on the instruction of his doctors, he was reluctantly sent on a recuperative private cruise in the Mediterranean; it was his third trip abroad since the war, and his last.[106] In November 1928, he fell seriously ill with septicaemia, and for the next two years his son Edward took over many of his duties.[107] In 1929, the suggestion of a further rest abroad was rejected by the King "in rather strong language".[108] Instead, he retired for three months to Craigweil House, Aldwick, in the seaside resort of Bognor, Sussex.[109] As a result of his stay, the town acquired the suffix Regis – Latin for "of the King". A myth later grew that his last words, upon being told that he would soon be well enough to revisit the town, were "Bugger Bognor!"[110][111][112]

George never fully recovered. In his final year, he was occasionally administered oxygen.[113] The death of his favourite sister, Victoria, in December 1935 depressed him deeply. On the evening of 15 January 1936, the King took to his bedroom at Sandringham House complaining of a cold; he remained in the room until his death.[114] He became gradually weaker, drifting in and out of consciousness. Prime Minister Baldwin later said:

... each time he became conscious it was some kind inquiry or kind observation of someone, some words of gratitude for kindness shown. But he did say to his secretary when he sent for him: "How is the Empire?" An unusual phrase in that form, and the secretary said: "All is well, sir, with the Empire", and the King gave him a smile and relapsed once more into unconsciousness.[115]
By 20 January, he was close to death. His physicians, led by Lord Dawson of Penn, issued a bulletin with the words "The King's life is moving peacefully towards its close."[116][117] Dawson's private diary, unearthed after his death and made public in 1986, reveals that the King's last words, a mumbled "God damn you!",[118] were addressed to his nurse, Catherine Black, when she gave him a sedative that night. Dawson, who supported the "gentle growth of euthanasia",[119] admitted in the diary that he ended the King's life:[118][120][121]

At about 11 o'clock it was evident that the last stage might endure for many hours, unknown to the Patient but little comporting with that dignity and serenity which he so richly merited and which demanded a brief final scene. Hours of waiting just for the mechanical end when all that is really life has departed only exhausts the onlookers & keeps them so strained that they cannot avail themselves of the solace of thought, communion or prayer. I therefore decided to determine the end and injected (myself) morphia gr.3/4 [grains] and shortly afterwards cocaine gr.1 [grains] into the distended jugular vein ... In about 1/4 an hour – breathing quieter – appearance more placid – physical struggle gone.[121]
Dawson wrote that he acted to preserve the King's dignity, to prevent further strain on the family, and so that the King's death at 11:55 pm could be announced in the morning edition of The Times newspaper rather than "less appropriate ... evening journals".[118][120] Neither Queen Mary, who was intensely religious and might not have sanctioned euthanasia, nor the Prince of Wales was consulted. The royal family did not want the King to endure pain and suffering and did not want his life prolonged artificially but neither did they approve Dawson's actions.[122] British Pathé announced the King's death the following day, in which he was described as "for each one of us, more than a King, a father of a great family".[123]

The German composer Paul Hindemith went to a BBC studio on the morning after the King's death and in six hours wrote Trauermusik ("Mourning Music"), for viola and orchestra. It was performed that same evening in a live broadcast by the BBC, with Adrian Boult conducting the BBC Symphony Orchestra and the composer as soloist.[124]

At the procession to George's lying in state in Westminster Hall, the cross surmounting the Imperial State Crown atop George's coffin fell off and landed in the gutter as the cortège turned into New Palace Yard. The new king, George's eldest son Edward, saw it fall and wondered whether it was a bad omen for his new reign.[125] As a mark of respect to their father, George's four surviving sons – Edward, Albert, Henry, and George – mounted the guard, known as the Vigil of the Princes, at the catafalque on the night before the funeral.[126] The vigil was not repeated until the death of George's daughter-in-law, Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, in 2002. George V was interred at St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, on 28 January 1936.[127] Edward abdicated before the year was out, leaving Albert to ascend the throne as George VI.[128]
 
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1.Officer talks man out of committing suicide. Eight years later, the Now-Father-Of-Two gives the Officer an award at The American Foundation For Suicide Prevention
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Disturbing story on theABC.

Seems there is website that supports almost encourages people to commit suicide. Moer significantly they offer a mechanism for suicide that, until the website began was quite infrequent. However as result of the world wide promotion many more poeple are killing themselves using this process.

 
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It's been a while since we had a debate on a difficult topic so I thought I'd bring up what is probably an emotional question about suicide and euthanasia.

Some of you may think it odd to group these two together, but I think they are definitely two aspects of the same question, i.e. should we as individuals have the right to determine our time and method of dying?

Of course, suicide is no longer illegal. However, aiding and abetting a suicide is. So if your elderly grandmother, dying anyway and in great pain, asks you to in any way assist her in suicide, you can be charged with murder.
Although from grandmother's point of view, this seems unreasonable, it's hard to see that it could be any other way, as to do otherwise would open the doors for murder in the true sense.

Voluntary euthanasia: when the Northern Territory passed a law to make this possible it seemed to work very well, requiring, I think, the opinions of three doctors including a psychiatrist to attest to the fact that the person was entirely aware of what they were doing and that their life presently was of unbearable quality. (or qualifications to that effect). Then the Canberra right to lifers stepped in and overturned the laws.

So what do you think? There are the obvious arguments against voluntary euthanasia (thin edge of the wedge, a step away from legalised murder etc and similar cliches), but, having watched people die in much pain and with complete loss of dignity, I just don't see why they could not have had an assisted death if such a wish had been made clear by them.

I'm sure we can have this discussion without getting into personal vilification where we disagree.

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Good afternoon Julia. I don't know if you were part of the Com community, but nearly 3 years I suffered very serious injuries from a double attack from a bull in my cattle yards. The prognosis I was given by the specialist surgeons in RPH were not good for me at my age at that time. At best a wheelchair and at most paraplegia. At 70 odd neither of these were a happy position for me to be in. I thought if I only have limited movement then it would be time to visit the bloke with the big wings in the Heavens. All I would need is to have my rifle at close range. Fortunately with a lot of help and family support I have regained my health and am now back doing what I love. Farming and farm contracting. The point I am trying make is, I am the one who should be able to say enough is enough, not some do-gooder who has no idea of what is good or bad for me.
 
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On my trip to South-East Merredin yesterday the ex-cocky who was with me was telling me about one of nieces who is in the WA police Force. She works in an area which involves those who suicide.
He said she told me that around 8-10 suicides a week on average.
This I can well believe because as we passed through devastated crop after devastated crop or worse still no crop at all I would not be surprised to hear that number has increased.
No livestock were seen in 7 hours of driving, mainly because sheep are now next to worthless and cattle aren't much better.
His nephew had borrowed the best part of $2 mullion to plant a crop and only averaged 4 bags of wheat to the acre.
Dosen't come close to even breaking even.
 
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On my trip to South-East Merredin yesterday the ex-cocky who was with me was telling me about one of nieces who is in the WA police Force. She works in an area which involves those who suicide.
He said she told me that around 8-10 suicides a week on average.
This I can well believe because as we passed through devastated crop after devastated crop or worse still no crop at all I would not be surprised to hear that number has increased.
No livestock were seen in 7 hours of driving, mainly because sheep are now next to worthless and cattle aren't much better.
His nephew had borrowed the best part of $2 mullion to plant a crop and only averaged 4 bags of wheat to the acre.
Dosen't come close to even breaking even.
Should have been 4 bags to the hectare
 
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