Timmy
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i am puzzled about how this very sudden development will:
a) affect DMA CFD providers and users.
Now, whether such manipulation is wrong or right ... the point is it is happening, and it is natural (ever haggled for anything?), my job is to try and recognise it and turn it to my advantage. Even better if I can recognise when this manipulation is indicative of much large capital flows behind it, so seeing the driver of the next 'trend'.
So you just proved my point. People are not objecting to naked short selling, they are objecting to a ban on short selling. But is everyone objecting to short selling on ASX listed companies or are they, as the opening posts suggests commenting on short selling worldwide? You are the one who has confined the context to the ASX. In case you hadn't noticed, the UK and US have banned any type of short selling on selected stocks. I think some people are objecting to the ban on short selling in those countries and yes some people do seem to be confused about the ban in Australia being only confined to naked shorts.
oh dear!......too hard
oh dear!......too hard
Some poeple don't appear to know the difference between naked and covered shorts. They are completely different...clearly you haven't even read what the ASX has decided to do and are commenting based on second hand knowledge or more than likely complete ignorance
Here you go...straight from the horse's mouth....The ASX is banning naked short selling not all short selling.....
http://www.asx.com.au/about/pdf/mr_190908_abolition_naked_short_selling.pdf
and you can learn about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_short_selling
and which type of short selling would that be? That's the whole point......I can't vote because I don't agree with banning covered shorts but I do agree with what the ASX is doing...banning naked shorts......
everyone seems to have missed that point....
Well, for what it's worth....I have been watching four stocks that I had positions in very closely over the last few weeks...
These stocks have all had the same thing done to them....
Their prices have been deliberately driven down by platforming the ask with huge sell orders. 1 million to 3 million.....on stocks that have an average daily trading volume of 6 - 10 million.....
These orders are just far enough away from the action to never get filled. If they get close to that point they are quickly removed and placed on again at the back of the cue.
This effectively means panicked sellers, wanting to close out their positions, have to jump over them and place their orders ahead on the ask otherwise they never get closed out...As soon as they do this guess what....the big orders move down behind them.....
More and more sellers leap frog over these big orders in a slow, progressive downslide......until the selling slows down.....The big orders on the sell dissappear and the shares have changed hands at very cheap prices...
Then big orders platform the bid and the reverse happens......that's when I bought back my positions....
Now, this may not exactly be short selling......because those big orders were never traded but the process of naked shorts gives market manipulators the tools to push down prices for their own purposes.....They effectively use shares that don't exist to destroy legitimate people's lives.....
I have nothing against covered shorts......but the above is nothing short (pardon the pun) of criminal behaviour......
OMG this is truly getting ridiculous.
I don't think everyone has missed that point. I haven't seen anyone object to banning naked short selling. However claims that naked shorts are responsiblefor large downward movements in stock prices are unfounded. As stated above, less than 1% of daily transaction volumes of short sales in the US fail to deliver.
Hey Cordelia,
Yep, give it up Cordelia.. Some here just have to be right all the time and seem to expertly manipulate the context of posts to continually 'prove their point'.. then loudly proclaim it to be so..
Hats off to whiskers too, for not delving into the 'tit for tat' name calling drivel that some here seem to view as necessary to deliver the point they are trying to make.. Sadly, it seems that some members here can only make themselves look good by attempting to belittle others that have a differing opinion.
On topic though, I'm with you.. No problems with shorting, but the nakeds need to be sorted..
Regards,
Buster
Sometimes one needs to just walk away when the conversation is becoming too disrespectful and insulting to reasonable human intelligence... and I believe that time has come for me now.
So does commsec refer to naked short selling as day short selling as opposed to term short selling with i assume is covered by stock lending in the latter case, please correct me if i'm wrong,
cutz.
I find most of your posts insulting to human intelligence.Sometimes one needs to just walk away when the conversation is becoming too disrespectful and insulting to reasonable human intelligence...
Just wondering why you felt it necessary to make such an unpleasant post?I find most of your posts insulting to human intelligence.
Time and time again Whiskers is shown to be abjectly incorrect on any basis you want to look at it.Just wondering why you felt it necessary to make such an unpleasant post?
It doesn't contribute to the discussion, and simply seems like nastiness for its own sake.
I'm not sure you'd be very pleased if everyone on this forum who happened to disagree with various comments you may have made were motivated to express that disagreement in the form of a wholly unnecessary personal attack.
lol, yep the media and general public have fallen for it hook line and sinker.
This correction is purely because of unregulated short selling, nothing to do with fundamentals or big companies losing billions and going broke - I mean why would that drive share prices down.
Yeah I guess thats why BHP has been going down.
Even though it has record profits ,heaps of cash, increasing production and a diversity of product lines. I am pretty sure it was going up 8% one day,down 8% the next bexcause it was losing big.
It appears to me as though there might have been an effect on its price from shorters. The shorters don't only pick on companies with bad fundamentals. It is all just a game to try and shake ordinary investors out and take some percentage along the way.
I just can't see that the way shorting is being abused is good for anyone in the markets.
DYOR
Sorry cordelia,
I think my question was incorrectly worded, i understand the mechanics but i was pondering on the following items.
Comsec have a product called Term Short Selling, you have 11 months to close out after setting up a trade, i am assuming this form of short selling is covered,
Their other product is Day Short Selling, you have to close out position within the day so i am assuming this is naked and it will be banned as of Monday, no news on their website yet on what will be happening.
I was just wondering if the first product, Term Short Selling will still be available on Monday as it appears to be covered shorting.
cutz.
TH, this exact illegal activity has been warned against by ASIC and even people on this forum have said they have had orders cancelled and been warned for 'suspected' such behaviour.
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