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Daisy you are right. Dare I suggest the dreaded words "Concentration Camps" where the predators could be segregated quite cheaply, and at the same time put to useful employment.
I think society needs to move away from the idea of punishment of sociopathic offenders and instead move towards the notion of protecting the rest of us from such people. Lock them up and throw away the key would achieve this without causing all the emotional conflict regarding death sentencing.
If it means that we, as taxpayers, have to support them for the rest of their miserable lives then personally I think that’s a small price to pay for our protection and security.
While I have also expressed similar thoughts, regarding the death sentence, from time to time, it’s usually been in frustration at sentencing and recidivism. I kind of understood the facebook posts. But, I don’t know if I would actually be comfortable with the reality.
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From ABC, 20 Feb. 09
MEN GET LIFE FOR NZ DRIVE-BY SHOOTING
By New Zealand correspondent Kerri Ritchie
In New Zealand, six men have been sent to jail for their involvement in a drive by shooting which killed a two-year-old girl.
Jhia Te Tua died instantly when members of the Mongrel Mob gang fired shots into her home in the north island city of Wanganui in 2007.
The two-year-old was hit by a bullet as she lay sleeping on the couch.
The group meant to kill her father who was a member of the rival Black Power gang.
The two men who planned and carried out the attack, Karl Check and Hayden Wallace, were jailed for life.
The judge described their actions as disgraceful and chilling and set a minimum non-parole period of 15 years.
Four others who were involved were also jailed.
A line of police had to separate rival gang members in court.
Cornelia Rau detained
AUSTRALIAN consular officials in Jordan have met with a South Australian woman, believed to be Cornelia Rau, who was detained by local authorities on Wednesday.
Ms Rau was wrongfully detained by Australian immigration officials four years ago.
She has reportedly been wandering the Middle East for months without taking her psychosis medication, causing her to behave erratically.
A Department of Foreign Affairs (DFAT) spokesman said consular officials met with a 43-year-old woman in Amman on Thursday.
He said the woman refused consular assistance. "Our consular staff remain ready to assist at any time," the spokesman said.
The spokesman could not confirm the woman was Ms Rau.
Last year, the Federal Government paid German-born Ms Rau $2.6 million in compensation for the 10 months she was wrongfully detained at a Brisbane jail and South Australia's Baxter detention centre.
Authorities had mistakenly believed she was an illegal immigrant.
She was sent to an Adelaide mental hospital after being found in the detention centre.
It's a crazy world.
From Illawarra Mercury, 19/02/2009 9:56:00 AM
ILLAWARRA FAMILY LEFT DESTITUTE BY KILLER
BY MICHELLE HOCTOR
The family of murdered Woonona miner Stephen Holmes has been forced into crisis housing after losing their home.
Wife Angela and her daughters were evicted just after Christmas when she was unable to continue the rental payments on what was intended to be the family's dream home.
Mrs Holmes is now grappling with how one man's act of violence has robbed her of almost everything she held dear.
"We were just the Joneses, just a normal family with a wonderful husband and father who worked hard as a coalminer to give us a better life," she said. "Now it's just me and the girls and setbacks keep happening to the point where I'm just speechless."
Since her husband was shot and killed by neighbour Stanley Maguire 15 months ago, Mrs Holmes has been on a hellish journey that has included post-traumatic stress disorder and drug addiction.
Today she lives in a Wollongong unit with her two daughters and Mr Holmes' eldest child from a previous relationship, waiting for rental accommodation to become available that will meet her $250-a-week budget.
"Stephen's murder led to a severe drug addiction for me. I tried to numb what was going on," Mrs Holmes said. "I took drugs to go to sleep and drugs to wake up.
"I pulled myself out of it ... I never want to go back there again."
Mrs Holmes, 31, said she was still haunted by the nightmare of November 24, 2007, when her husband, a father of four girls aged three to 18, rushed into the street outside their home to confront Maguire, only to be fatally shot in the chest.
"John (as Maguire was known) was mouthing off about my husband. Steve was sitting on the front porch just listening. But then he said something about me and the kids and that was it. Steve took off."
It emerged later that 59-year-old Maguire, a paranoid schizophrenic, had been convicted of manslaughter in 1994 and served almost eight years in prison before being released in 2002.
He was relocated to a Department of Housing home in Lassiter Ave, where he allegedly verbally abused his neighbours before killing Mr Holmes, 41. Maguire fled the scene and his car was found abandoned on the Central Coast.
Skeletal remains were discovered by a bushwalker last October, just 40m from where Maguire's car was found.
A preliminary examination suggested Maguire may have killed himself with a shotgun.
Four months later, DNA tests to positively identify Maguire's body have still not been finalised.
Mrs Holmes is suing the NSW Government for failing to protect the community from Maguire.
(But) at the moment I am just trying to get us settled with a roof over our head. We are so desperately trying to rebuild our lives."
It emerged later that 59-year-old Maguire, a paranoid schizophrenic, had been convicted of manslaughter in 1994 and served almost eight years in prison before being released in 2002.
Jail is not the place for people who are mentally ill.
Once upon a time we had functional psychiatric institutions with secure wings where people whose violent behaviour made them unsafe to be at large were kept. Better for them and better for the community.
The whole experiment of 'treating mentally ill people within the community' has been a dismal failure.
They're not considered insane because they have full awareness of right and wrong This is a pretty good summary of the psychopathic personality:What I have always found puzzling is the definition of criminally insane. e.g. your everyday murdering raping psychopath is, in most cases, not considered so.
They aren't.
There are stories here of prisoners wanting to help other prisoners to learn how to read, but are disallowed from doing so. No wonder they end up back there.
And there have been recent cases where prisoners are released without having the appropriate treatment (sex offenders) when they were having that treatment on the outside, which is a disgrace.
Most of the jobs they do hardly pay for their crimes they committed is what the previous poster was getting at. They should be worked till they collapse then be at it again the next day. Today's sentences hardly fit the severity of their crimes.Most of them have jobs inside.
You must be one of those civil libetarian types. What if it was your child that was raped or your brother or sister murdered or a family member that was run down by a drunk idiot in a car? Sure you wouldn't think it was funny then.Or you don't have a clue.
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Sex offenders shouldn't be let out. They don't understand the word NO. Even a dog understands that simple command if you train it properly. Don't give me this crap about "they're insane, they didn't know what they were doing".
Christian
Hang murderers, Castrate violent sex offenders, multiple crimes multiple sentence (no concurrent sentences) throw away the key and forget all this bulldust about criminal rights. They couldn't respect the rights of others and accordingly thier rights are forfeit.
Teen 'drunk for first time' raped woman, 82
February 24, 2009 - 3:52PM
A teenager who raped an elderly woman in a Sydney park has been jailed for at least three years.
Robert el-Chammas, 18, approached the 82-year-old woman while she was walking through the park in Anzac Avenue, West Ryde, early on May 11 last year.
The NSW District Court was told that the night before the attack el-Chammas had been drunk for the first time, and had no memory of the incident.
The court heard that el-Chammas approached the woman from behind and threw her to the ground.
The teenager had been drinking with friends in Kings Cross the previous night, his barrister Ian McClintock, SC, said.
He said the teenager spent $200 on a shout that night, and got drunk for the first time.
"He indicates that in his life he has never been drunk before and he is at a loss to explain his behaviour," Mr McClintock said.
"He indicates that he does not have any recollection of the event ... he expresses his disgust at the event."
Mr McClintock said there was no alcohol in his client's system 10 hours after the attack.
The court was told that, while the attack was aggravated due to the victim's age and vulnerability, el-Chammas's youth was a mitigating factor.
A number of referees vouched for the teenager's good character and honesty, Mr McClintock said.
In imposing a maximum five-year term on el-Chammas, Judge Peter Johnstone said there were a number of mitigating factors.
"There are factors that call for a departure from the standard non-parole period, the fact that this was the first and only offence this offender has committed, his extreme youth, his prospect of rehabilitation and the unlikelihood of his reoffending," Judge Johnstone said.
Yet another example that the law has little to do with justice.No mention of what the victim had to say about all this.
SMH
Give crims the Singapore treatment and then see if they still think they can thumb their noses at the law.
Singapore is one of the safest countries with one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
No lenient treatment over there, no ifs buts or maybes.......you break the law, you get hit, and you get hit hard.
We should copy their model if we're serious about drastically reducing crime in Australia.
I wander if it is possible to apply Singapore punishment model in Australia?
I wander if it is possible to apply Singapore punishment model in Australia?
Definitely not. Our jails are not big enough. In Singapore discipline starts in the home, so fewer kids grow up to be criminals.
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