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... Even so, it seems people practice this and make it work for them in the long run ...
... I'm missing something right?
Total newb question, so apologies in advance, ok?
So I read about "Dividend Stripping" and learned that it's a little risky as you don't always come out on top by the time you've held a stock long enough to qualify for the dividend as well as qualify for the franking credit in full. Even so, it seems people practice this and make it work for them in the long run.
My question is, if there is nearly always a mini rally in the fortnight or so prior to a big dividend pay on a Blue Chip, then why not buy it a fortnight before ex dividend and then sell it just before the ex date. Obviously you miss the dividend, but as the value of the stock will fall by the same amount as the dividend on the very next day, what have you lost? Further upside? Sure, but you also dodge further downside, and you pick up a lazy couple % in just 2 weeks.
I'm missing something right?
Done right you should be looking for three returns: ...
Cheers for the info chaps. Been looking for some juicy upcoming divs and spotted RHG going ex div next month. I'm a little confused as to whether it's 17% or 38%, but even if it's "only" 17% (fully franked), why isn't everyone jumping on this? Surely the mortgage industry is not as risky as it was a few years back?
You need to watch the holding rule too if your planning to buy and sell for the dividend otherwise you could lose the benefit of the franking credit even more so if your earning income as a beneficiary of a trust fund too.
Eligibility
There are restrictions on who can use franking credits. Those who cannot must simply declare as income the cash dividend amount they receive. . The restrictions are designed to prevent the trading of franking credits between different taxpayers. An eligible shareholder is one who either
Owns the shares for a continuous period of 45 days or more (not counting purchase and sale days); or 90 days in the case of certain preference shares. This is the "holding period rule". Shares must be "at risk" for the necessary period, i.e. not with an offsetting derivatives position for instance.
Or who
Has total franking credits for the tax year of less than $5000 (the "small shareholder exemption") and has not arranged to pass-on the benefits to someone else (the "related payments rule").
Thus franking credits are not available to short-term traders, only to longer term holders, but with small holders exempted provided it's for their own benefit.
The small shareholder exemption is not a "first $5000", but rather once the $5000 threshold is passed the rule is inoperative and all one's shares are under the holding period rule.
For the holding period rule, parcels of shares bought and sold at different times are reckoned on a "first in, last out" basis. Each sale is taken to be of the most recently purchased shares. This prevents a taxpayer buying just before a dividend, selling just after, and asserting it was older shares sold (to try to fulfill the holding period).
This "first in, last out" reckoning may be contrasted with capital gains tax. For capital gains the shareholder can nominate what parcel was sold from among those bought at different times.
Owns the shares for a continuous period of 45 days or more (not counting purchase and sale days); or 90 days in the case of certain preference shares. This is the "holding period rule". Shares must be "at risk" for the necessary period, i.e. not with an offsetting derivatives position for instance.
Does it have to be 45 days before ex div date / record date / date payable?
No, just 45 days all up.Does it have to be 45 days before ex div date / record date / date payable?
Because their only asset is a mortgage book in rundown, so the dividend will continue to fall. I made a killing on this a few years ago.
Hmm... Any ideas if there are any implications due to Part IVA or 177EA of the ITAA associated with dividend stripping?
I wonder why the ATO website doesn't mention any of this...
Hmm... Any ideas if there are any implications due to Part IVA or 177EA of the ITAA associated with dividend stripping?
I wonder why the ATO website doesn't mention any of this...
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