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...called "pin risk", when you don't know whether you'll be assigned on your short option or not.I'll start this thread off with a shapshot of Friday morning's course of sales for ANZ. ANZ closed at exactly $14 on Thursday (Nov08 expiry) and some think their short options are safe from being assigned. See below for the list of $14 options exercised.
The codes EP and EC obviously distinguishes whether they were puts or calls.
The biggest danger of being assigned is that you either end up owning the underlying shares or are short them, leaving full exposure to any overnight gap. Probably even worse for credit spreads where the short side is assigned and the long one expires worthless. What was a limited risk trade is no longer protected.
Also, most option brokers automatically exercise in-the-money positions. How much ITM can vary between brokers, so it pays to know their policies. If long are long an option that is 1c or so ITM and it's not worth incurring fees to close, it would be advisable to check with your broker and request them not to auto exercise if necessary.
Will add to this thread as time allows - hopefully others will also add any useful nuggets and experiences to this thread ...
Another gotcha is volatility crush/rush AKA vega risk...
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so on the flip side of the coin long dated options would have the present iv factored into them
have noticed lately some far dated puts which are way out of the money with quiet hefty premiums attached
example
mqg June o9 $10 put with a bid of $0.80
i was tempted to sell 1 contract into this but at the time not sure about the long term commitment
wondering others thoughts on this
Hi sails, good idea for a thread,
Its interesting how quite a few $14 series where assigned, if I were short I probably would have slept well that night thinking I was safe, I assume those exercise/assignments were result of arbitrage positions? that may have ended up half baked in the end.
Not sure exactly why they are exercised, Cutz - just know that it does and has been for the 5 years I've been trading options. NAB was another this month - closing at exactly $19 and there were $19 options exercised the day after expiry.
My guess is that it may be part of MMs closing positions...
if in theory the exercise price is $14.00 and the sp price ends up closing at exactly that price could it be that the automated system will close out all positions as theoritically the exercised price has been reached
in other words does the system recognise it as such because it is the exercise price
not sure if this makes any sense
Quick question, does anyone here use options for
longer term trading (2-5yrs?)?
Double and triple checking the order pad before pushing the trade through, it got me a couple of times.
i am with commsec and before i hit that execute button i always check the estimate first to check the dollars and make sure am doing the right trade
with sell to open, buy to open ,buy to close and sell to close its quite easy to make a mistake especially for a novice like myself
Quick question, does anyone here use options for longer term trading (2-5yrs?)?
Double and triple checking the order pad before pushing the trade through, it got me a couple of times....
i am with commsec and before i hit that execute button i always check the estimate first to check the dollars and make sure am doing the right trade
with sell to open, buy to open ,buy to close and sell to close its quite easy to make a mistake especially for a novice like myself
I don't believe options are optimum for "set and forget" strategies of that time frame.Quick question, does anyone here use options for longer term trading (2-5yrs?)?
I don't believe options are optimum for "set and forget" strategies of that time frame.
However, I believe if you have a 3-5 year outlook and goal, but actively use options around a base share holding (or phantom holding) to protect, achieve and enhance, options are ideal.
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