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Legalising Marijuana

Should marijuana be legalised?

  • Yes

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
When people say "in no way harms others" they're always talking about direct, physical harm from engaging in the activity itself.

I would agree that drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, smoking dope, shooting up heroin and carrying a loaded gun with the safety off "in no way harms others", in a direct physical sense.

Driving drunk or stoned on any drug does harm people. Carrying the gun, well, to my great regret.... we have decided against that because even respectable people have the odd brain snap.

But there is a cost to society when all these self determining mature adults (putting aside the side issue of our immature culture when it comes to alcohol and drugs) who are causing no direct harm to others start asking for medical treatment for the consequences of their decisions. Those consequences range from broken limbs to cancer to depression or other mental illness and they're expensive to deal with.

Would I then agree to a total alcohol and cigarette ban? Sure (I would sadly say goodbye to my Glen Morangie). When people say that prohibition "doesn't work" they always seem to mean that it doesn't stamp out the problem completely, once and for all. No solution to a complex social problem works on that definition of "work".

But if I was a father, I would rather that my kids couldn't legally buy a drug which can touch off depression. The risk of someone "trying it" is way higher when the thing is legal.

If prohibition means that less people can get a substance that offers no benefit whatsoever (other than a holiday from reality) that's fine with me.

The cancer patients and (it seems) people with arthritis get hauled out in support by the "legalise it" group. I'd legalise dope for the terminal cancer patients. But you can't take a substance like THC and say that it helps my granddad with his cancer so your 19 year old son who's fit as a fiddle should be allowed to have it. There's nothing wrong with a general rule that has carve outs to deal with specific situations. We do that in legislation all the time.

To the "where do you draw the line" crowd, I really don't know. Things which offer no benefit and which harm either individuals or society are already present in society. I don't see that fact as an argument for saying "well lets add this non beneficial, harmful substance into the mix as well 'cause we already have alcohol and cigarettes".

I actually (and contrary to the tone of this post) hate our Nanny state. If our resources were unlimited, I would take a slightly different view of things. But since they're not, for me, its just a matter of sticking the benefit on one side of the scale and the bane on the other and seeing which way it falls.
 
Take it away from the crims.

Regulate it.

Standardise it.

Tax it.

Just like alcohol.

Win win.


I agree. Also how much money would it free up in our legal system.

I`m with Tink. Seen sporting potential, education aspirations and careers destroyed by the toxic weed.

Seen that destroyed by alcohol as well, if they are willing to smoke dope or drink alcohol etc etc to excess they aren't that dedicated to their goals and probably wouldn't make it anyway.
 
There are a lot of people that think because you can never beat the problem, you should just change the law so it is not a problem.

Drink driving is already a problem, and the 5-0 (aka police) have enough trouble trying to keep this under control, now if you legalize Weed, they are going to have to start doing random stoner tests. You are going to have thousands of staff smoking weed at work instead of Ciggies. There is no need to have it legalized. Yes it might help some people, but the majority of people that want it legalized are not the ones that it will help.
 
Ehem, the Netherlands. Not "legalised" in the same way as alcohol or tobacco, but it shows it can exist in the community.
 
hello,

could someone please post the cheech and chong video

thankyou
Doctor Robots
 
Ehem, the Netherlands. Not "legalised" in the same way as alcohol or tobacco, but it shows it can exist in the community.

It shows it can exist in a community, specifically the Netherlands. The next step in any research is to go to the Netherlands, live there, understand the culture and the people and then make an evaluation of how and why pot can exist in their community.
 
Once a person reaches the age consent, and as long as the action in no way harms others, they ought to be able to do what they want, in toto.
Fair enough as long as the "in no way harms others" bit is indeed true.

I sure don't want to be sharing the roads or working in a hazardous environment with anyone under the influence of mind altering drugs of any type. At least tobacco doesn't have that problem.
 
There is already random drug testing on the road.
Indeed there is. But doing some quick maths I've been pulled over for a random breath test about once every 105,000 km since I started driving and that includes some very obvious ones such as the early hours of New Years Day.

I'd rather not have people stoned given just how low the odds of being caught seem to be. Only once have I ever seen police testing drivers on a major road during commuting times, and that was in an afternoon immediately before Christmas.

If we're going to have even more people out of their minds then we need a much better way of keeping them off the roads. And also keeping them off public transport (think of everyone else...) and away from any situation (eg roadworks, construction sites) where they might wander in and create a danger to others.

What's so wrong with people that they feel a need to get stoned in the first place? Can't people cope with life these days?
 
What's so wrong with people that they feel a need to get stoned in the first place? Can't people cope with life these days?

Perfect summary - for the people that cant cope in life.

There are plenty of drugs already on the market for that. Why legalise this crapiola

I dont care what people do as long as they dont hurt people, but as stated, this can hurt other people.



I have already said that I am all for 'alcohol' going down the same road as cigarettes did, warnings and all so 'no nod' from me.
 
What's so wrong with people that they feel a need to get stoned in the first place? Can't people cope with life these days?

What has getting stoned got to do with not being able to cope with life?

Does everyone who drinks alcohol have trouble coping with life?

Some people just enjoy it and use it sensibly. Lumping all dope smokers into one pile is pretty naive imo.
 
You can't really regulate human behaviour anyway in this sense, so why bother? Drugs have been around since forever, ditto their use. Making it illegal to try stamping it out or stop its use is like trying to take the wetness out of water.
 

The reality is usage is already very high, and alot of users are generally law abiding people who contribute to society in many positive ways.

There is always going to be a small element who abuse things and cause trouble for the rest of us. Legalising dope will make no difference to this element of society because they have no respect for society in general.
 
Has no problems with peoples use of marijuana

Alcohol is a different matter .......... some people should just not drink !

But because it is "legal" it gives a big green light for those that abuse themselves beyond control to continue doing so.
 
What has getting stoned got to do with not being able to cope with life?

Does everyone who drinks alcohol have trouble coping with life?

Some people just enjoy it and use it sensibly. Lumping all dope smokers into one pile is pretty naive imo.

So where this thread is leading is...


People get doped to the eyeballs and can drive.

People get pissed and caught and lose their licence.
 
So where this thread is leading is...


People get doped to the eyeballs and can drive.

People get pissed and caught and lose their licence.


nope

drivers up here get swabbed drug tested on a regular basis ..... lol even taxi drivers .....
 
So where this thread is leading is...


People get doped to the eyeballs and can drive.

People get pissed and caught and lose their licence.

Apologies if I've picked up the wrong end of the stick, but there seems to be an assumption that legalising some drugs will cause there to suddenly be drivers under the influence.

News Flash!! They are already out there.

My observation:

I see a car going slower than the speed limit, the driver driving timidly, concentrating intently... probably a bit paranoid about being noticed. I think to myself "that guy is stoned".

I see a car going much faster than the speed limit, 150 dbs of some rapper blaring out the window, driver overconfident and aggressive... probably not really concentrating. I think to myself "that guy is pissed".

Both are more dangerous than.... well reserving my judgement on "normal" drivers.... but I would prefer to share the road with someone stoned than pissed.

 
nope

drivers up here get swabbed drug tested on a regular basis ..... lol even taxi drivers .....

Nun, there is currently no evidence to suggest that not capitalising the first letter of a sentence helps save the environment... so please, please, please make an effort.

Thanks.
 
Both are more dangerous than.... well reserving my judgement on "normal" drivers

So why legalise something just as dangerous as alcohol, whether its fast or slow, they are still dangering other peoples lives.

Thats the bottom line.

Poor kids, if the parents arent pissed as parrots, they are as stoned as stunned mullets.

Nah keep it illegal so they have to pay top dollar for it - buggar em and the ones supplying it can cop it just as sweet when they get caught.
 
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