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So we bump up the research dollars and focus into more efficient renewables, as suggested by Bjorn Lomborg, a climate change believer.From brty: ...there should be a price paid to make change happen, to wean us off glutony...
They looked like a motivated group of good kids to me not an ipod in sight.
Good on them in having a say in their future and at least being part of the debate they at least had the front to get up and have a go.
The Prime Minister would at least have earned some respect yesterday if she had come out and fronted the rally and stood up for her beliefs. PM you didn't need a gold invitation.
One blog poster who was there said that some of the worst placards were carried by 25-30 yr olds, who looked a little different to the average demographic, and speculated that they may have been plants by GetUp! or the Greens.
Interesting that the worst placard conveniently found it's way through the crowd to be right behind Abbott, where he couldn't even see it.
I'd say its more important what the tax will do. What you are saying implies that if it had all been fully honest and timed well, it would be a good course of action. Really though, Gillard may as well just start bombing things. I can't think of an action that could be more damaging to a nation short of outright malicious assault on the population.
Honestly, I can't remember the last time a policy was passed by a politician and I didn't think "why don't you just dump cyanide in our reservoirs? If you are pro-bad, at least be consistent".
FOR the last week, "generous income tax cuts" for low- to middle-income earners have been a "live option" to compensate households for carbon tax price rises actively promoted by Julia Gillard and her ministers. Yesterday, the live option became a dead end.
IMO, it is quite possible that any compensation by whatever means will be short lived. This government seems desperate for money...
Anyone hear about the 3 billion hole in the budget due to "natural disasters here and overseas?" Apparently the carbon tax will fill this hole hence why the astounding announcement from PM Julia Gillard on 24th February 2011.
........Flannery: I just need to clarify in terms of the climate context for you. If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop for about a thousand years.
Bolt: Right, but I just want to get to this very basic fact, because I’m finding it really curious that no one has got (this) fact. If I buy a car … I want to know how much it costs and whether it is going to do the job.
Flannery: Sure.
Bolt: In this case I want to know the cost of cutting our emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 and will it do the job: how much will the world’s temperatures fall by if Australia cuts its emissions by this much.
Flannery: Look, as I said it will be a very, very small increment.
I found this interesting
No noticeable drop in temperatures for 1000 yrs?? Sorry, but this assertion is just bizarre. We're already seeing significant changes in natural variability now (eg it's becoming cooler). I suggest Flannery is saying let's start paying more for CO2 and we'll circle back in 1000yrs to see if it's made a difference.
What happened to the we must act now as the earth is on a "tipping point", we only have 5 or 10 years left before it's too late. Now, "lets see what happens in a 1000yrs". The alarmists comical assertions and policies are disintegrating.
........Flannery: I just need to clarify in terms of the climate context for you. If we cut emissions today, global temperatures are not likely to drop for about a thousand years.
Bolt: Right, but I just want to get to this very basic fact, because I’m finding it really curious that no one has got (this) fact. If I buy a car … I want to know how much it costs and whether it is going to do the job.
Flannery: Sure.
Bolt: In this case I want to know the cost of cutting our emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 and will it do the job: how much will the world’s temperatures fall by if Australia cuts its emissions by this much.
Flannery: Look, as I said it will be a very, very small increment.
Bolt: Can you give us a rough figure? A rough figure.
Flannery: Sorry, I can’t because it’s a very complex system and we’re dealing with probabilities here.
Bolt: …I’m just trying to get the facts in front of the public so we know what we’re doing. Just unbiased. Is it about, I don’t know, are you talking about a thousandth of a degree? A hundredth of a degree? What sort of rough figure?
Flannery: Just let me finish and say this. If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop in several hundred years, perhaps as much as a thousand years because the system is overburdened with CO2 that has to be absorbed and that only happens slowly.
Bolt: That doesn’t seem a good deal… Someone surely must have done the sums that for all these billions of dollars we’re spending in programs that it’s got to have a consequence in terms of cutting the world’s temperature. So you don’t know about Australia, you wouldn’t dispute that it’s within about a thousandth of a degree, around that magnitude, right?...........
Good find, OWG...
I have no intention of turning lights off tomorrow night. Candles are much too dangerous with which to play games. And will have school age grandchildren here who have been pumped up about "earth hour" rubbish at school. They can go to school and tell them their Grandma thinks it's only about the government trying to get their grubby mits on other people's hard earned money...
As an aside Oz do you have an opinion on population / resources usage grow and the solution or do you think its all good?
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