Israel - Palestine

Captain_Chaza said:

FWIW basillio
I found your Posts Sea-Sickening and an insult to me and this Forum when this Thread was first started and Blocked you
I see now that you have got worse and I am now going to BLOCK you for a minimum of 3 Lifetimes

It will be Heaven for me to never read any more of your insults to Human behaviour and intelligence

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You don't like the facts Basillio presents?

Macquack said:

You don't like the facts Basillio presents?

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Where was she when > 1500 were slaughtered OCT 7 /2023
That was a Fact also and was probably celebrated by her types

Crikey When the Japs Bombed Pearl Harbour > 3000 were killed
When the Terrorists downed the Twin Towers in NY >3000 were killed

When Israel loses >1500 on Oct 7 they end up being the Victim
Go Figure!

At Least all those killed in Gaza have all been Warned to leave the area first
That includes those helpers dressed in Nurses and Doctors outfits

From @HashemAllMighty on X. Pretty spot on IMO

For 18 months now, Western mosques, Muslim NGOs, and the Islamists terrorizing our streets have explained their outbursts with cries of "genocide" in Gaza. Yet, the truth — which reasonable people have known all along — continues breaking through with even more evidence: There was never a genocide.

Hamas’ gross inflation of civilian casualty numbers, now quietly being reduced

South Africa seems to have had its lawfare case primed before Israel even responded to Oct 7

UNRWA’s direct participation in Oct 7, the UN’s response thereto, and their deliberate failure to properly condemn real atrocities has exposed their blatant support for Islamic terrorism (and not even just against Israel)

The Qatari-funded Muslim Brotherhood propaganda, long peddled by mainstream media, is finally starting to be exposed under scrutiny

Independent probes have shredded claims of systematic starvation by Israel

Leaked documents reveal Hamas allies orchestrating exaggerated tales of destruction for global sympathy

Pallywood’s fakery — dozens of videos and photos debunked weekly — has never been more exposed

Funding trails clearly tie anti-Israel protests to foreign players like Qatar, which condemned Israel for Oct 7 on Oct 8, while bankrolling domestic terror propaganda and other Jihad

You’d think the "Palestine" crowd would cheer — no genocide, just an Islamofascist fabrication, with civilians largely spared the worst. Instead, they’re even more furious. Their protests are growing louder this week alone. Why?

Because it was never about Gazans, "Palestine," or even a real genocide. The "Palestine" cause is a settler-colonial Islamic terror movement at its root. Facts — genocide or not — are irrelevant; most of them know the truth. What’s driving their rage is the collapse of their strongest weapon: The ability to smear Israel as a genocidal villain in a broader push to destroy it. They don’t care about the reality of genocide or no genocide; they care about branding Israel with the libel to delegitimize its existence. This isn’t about justice — it’s about Jew-hate — it’s about the rejection of Jews daring to have a state in their ancestral homeland.

The hypocrisy and bad faith of this terror campaign — and those still clinging to it — stand starkly exposed.

I’m so done with this pathetic, vile and dishonest hate cause and all the despicable people participating in it.

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basilio said:

Frankly Joh Dee I haven't put much focus on posts in the Palestinian Israeli Hamas disaster. I have found it too challenging and distressing a subject.\

For whats it worth
Yep the Hamas attack on Israel was murderous. It was always the case that Israel was going to respond with great severity.

Since then it seems that Israel has decided to wipe Gaza and all its inhabitants off the face of the earth. There seems to be have been no sense of fighting military or even semi military targets. The ongoing war has been one of systematic destruction of all infrastructure in Gaza. The clear intention now is to annex Gaza and send the million 2 remaining people to God knows where.

On the way the ASD has targeted and killed hundreds of journalists and medics. It has killed 10's of thousands of women and children in their bombings of hospitals, schools and any structure that could conceivably have any person who might be a Hamas sympathizer/ agent.
So that is everyone.

In military operations the ADF has a process of using Palestinians as human shields in their operations. How many of these people have been killed is unknown and probably doesn't matter to the ASF because they can always have find replacements.

Israeli soldier says every unit 'keeps a Palestinian as human shield'

In an anonymous article for Haaretz, a senior Israeli officer writes that the army has 'a sub-army of Palestinian slaves'

www.middleeasteye.net

There is probably much more I could state but what is the point?

On the other side of the ledger ? Hamas committed a series of murderous actions in their attack on Israel last October. There have been sporadic rocket attacks on Israel. Casualties have light but real. In the fighting in Gaza (the actual military fighting ) they inflicted some military losses. You posted the awful story of Hamas torturing and killing a person who spoke out against them. I'm sure there are other instances of such actions.

Since then they have systematically hunted and killed. If the killing takes out the whole family ... well that's war isn't it.

This is the balance I see. Not much of a balance really ? But the latest exercise in murdering medics trying to rescue people, burying the evidence and then lying through their teeth about the killings does feel pretty disgusting.

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It seems that you have inadvertently forgotten your previous posts, going back to 2014, all your posts are pro Palestine. Which is fine, but don't hide behind an intellectual persona trying to convince us that the world is black and white.

No disrespect intended; I have recently found myself wondering whether I have achieved an age that allows me to see problems and issues from multiple viewpoints, or if I am seeing the blinkered views of youth in our public media and left wing ideologs. Whichever it is, I will ensure that I keep an open mind and research all information, not just the one side.

JohnDe said:

It seems that you have inadvertently forgotten your previous posts, going back to 2014, all your posts are pro Palestine. Which is fine, but don't hide behind an intellectual persona trying to convince us that the world is black and white.

No disrespect intended; I have recently found myself wondering whether I have achieved an age that allows me to see problems and issues from multiple viewpoints, or if I am seeing the blinkered views of youth in our public media and left wing ideologs. Whichever it is, I will ensure that I keep an open mind and research all information, not just the one side.

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Wow ! You have checked out all my posts back to 2014 on this topic. All Pro Palestine you say.
I won't argue with you. No point is there?

On reflection it probably reflects the comments you made on "seeing problems and issues from multiple viewpoints rather than blinkered views of youth". Once upon a time I probably did see Israel as defending itself against Arab aggression.

Around the mid 90's when President Clinton managed to get a public handshake and a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel I thought the world could see a two State solution. One land for Israel. An independent land for the Palestinians. Perhaps an uneasy peace.

What iIhave recognised as happening since then has been an aggressive Right wing Israeli policy to expand it's territory through financing settlers in the West Bank and turning Gaza into an open air prison.

In the last 7-10 years it seems clear that Israel will never accept a Palestinian homeland state and is working to take all lands the Bible decrees were Israels. So as the facts of Israeli expansionism become clearer my sympathies for the Palestinian efforts to protect what little they have has overtaken my initial views on Israels legitimate defense of their country.

basilio said:

Wow ! You have checked out all my posts back to 2014 on this topic. All Pro Palestine you say.
I won't argue with you. No point is there?

On reflection it probably reflects the comments you made on "seeing problems and issues from multiple viewpoints rather than blinkered views of youth". Once upon a time I probably did see Israel as defending itself against Arab aggression.

Around the mid 90's when President Clinton managed to get a public handshake and a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel I thought the world could see a two State solution. One land for Israel. An independent land for the Palestinians. Perhaps an uneasy peace.

What iIhave recognised as happening since then has been an aggressive Right wing Israeli policy to expand it's territory through financing settlers in the West Bank and turning Gaza into an open air prison.

In the last 7-10 years it seems clear that Israel will never accept a Palestinian homeland state and is working to take all lands the Bible decrees were Israels. So as the facts of Israeli expansionism become clearer my sympathies for the Palestinian efforts to protect what little they have has overtaken my initial views on Israels legitimate defense of their country.

A look at how settlements have grown in the West Bank over the years

Israel has approved the largest seizure of land in the occupied West Bank in over three decades and advanced plans to build thousands of new settlement homes, according to Peace Now, an Israeli anti-settlement monitoring group.

apnews.com

Israel turbocharges West Bank settlement expansion with largest land grab in decades

A settlement tracking group says Israel has approved the largest seizure of land in the occupied West Bank in over three decades.

apnews.com

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No problem Basi. Give us a wave at your next Palestine for First Nations march.

JohnDe said:

No problem Basi. Give us a wave at your next Palestine for First Nations march.

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Excellent. Where will I see you at the March ?

basilio said:

Excellent. Where will I see you at the March ?

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Watching the ABC

I Prefer to Watch SBS--Australia ----- Its Included FREE in Foxtel

Air strike , Friday took out October 7 terrorist Muhammad Awad , kidnapper of the Bibas family whose bodies were returned to Israel in February .
Check it out on a neat You-Tube vid out yesterday : " IDF kills Bibas Family Kidnapper " Got him !

Time to buy a bucket of 'Ben & Jerry's'

"Israel has intercepted a Gaza-bound aid ship carrying Greta Thunberg and other prominent activists, detaining those onboard, with the vessel being taken to Israel.
The Freedom Flotilla Coalition (FFC) earlier said the Israeli military had boarded the Madleen, which was attempting to deliver aid to Gaza"

Not a ship, a yacht, and carrying less than 1 truckload of aid. Meantime, more than 1,200 aid trucks have entered Gaza from Israel within the past two weeks, and in addition, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has distributed close to 11 million meals directly to civilians in Gaza.

And no-one taking selfies.

over what period has 'the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation' distributed those 11million meals?

Seems to be still a lot of very hungry people in Gaza..... Not the sort of thing Zionist zealots ( and their useful idiots) care to much about.

Josh Zepps piece from the age last week;

moXJO said:

Iran is the last threat to Israel in the middle East. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was orchestrated to take out Iran in a similar fashion to what happened in Iraq.

The whole thing is very suspicious. I somewhat believe in the possibility that the original attacks on Israel were allowed to happen. There is generally a 5 min response time from attack helicopters followed by troops. The whole thing is suss.

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Over a year ago now.
I bet no one is surprised at this prediction coming true.

moXJO said:

Over a year ago now.
I bet no one is surprised at this prediction coming true.

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Prediction or conspiracy theory?

JohnDe said:

Prediction or conspiracy theory?

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Is there a difference these days. Even some of my wilder covid conspiracies got close.
Iran was always the target in the end. Israel has the most advanced surveillance system and spy network in the world. I don't believe for a second that a bunch of Palestinians got through that unnoticed. This was a clean out of the middle East

But hey, let them cook. Middle East isn't Australia's war.

moXJO said:

Over a year ago now.
I bet no one is surprised at this prediction coming true.

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what took you so long? I called it when reactivating the tread:

Excellent overview of Israels objectives in the Middle East

Trump stands back as Israel tries bombing its way to a new neighbourhood​

By Americas editor John Lyons in Washington DC

• Topic:World Politics

7h ago7 hours ago

Benjamin Netanyahu's real agenda is regime change in several parts of the region. (AP: Ronen Zvulun)


There are many things happening in the Middle East at the moment but beneath them lies one single through line: Israel is attempting to reshape the political map of the region.

Israel's real agenda is regime change in several parts of the Middle East — particularly Gaza, Lebanon and Iran.

Rarely does a country admit that it wants regime change in another jurisdiction, but Israel is making its intentions clear.

And the real agenda for the US is that it wants plausible deniability for the attempt to re-make the Middle East. Shortly after Israel's strikes on Friday, US President Donald Trump said: "The US had nothing to do with the attack on Iran."

Nothing, that is, except it was forewarned, and that central to Israel's military capability is US funding, US hardware, US intelligence and US technology.

Israel's bombing of Iran is stunning in its audacity — bombing Iran's nuclear facilities is something the US has always been reluctant to do, and assassinating Iran's nuclear scientists is something that Israel has done in the past but has dramatically escalated in recent days.