FitzSimmons article amount to "Why won't you think of the children". In turn donations to folau spiked.Just read Peter Fitzsimmons article
https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/israel...ou-just-go-fund-yourself-20190621-p5204j.html
and I agree with @Macquack and others, the sad reality as Fitzsimmons points out is that there are more worthy and desperate causes out there more worthy of our limited charitable dollars.
Still, Folau should not have been terminated imo.
That's true about Folau's team, but RA is not prosecuting his religious expression as such but, instead, the obligations he has to his colleagues and the rugby code.Rob, the case Folau's team are running is that the ARU does not have the right at Law to impose those religous restrictions or terminate him.
Here we are on the slippery slope of unlawful versus illegal.Either the Contract or the Termination is ILLEGAL due to relevant Statutes.
You should take the time to read on the matter at hand.Quoting a religious text in what he believes to be saving peoples souls is a very fine line for dismissal. He obviously has a case.
RA is not the law last time I checked. But it will be interesting to see the outcome. RA has lost either way imo.You should take the time to read on the matter at hand.
RA allows religious expression to the extent it is consistent with how players treat each other.
To the extent they have obligations which they agreed and are binding in their employment (and are lawful), then the answer is clearly yes.So you believe that employers should have the right to impose conditions on employees that bind them every minute of their lives ?
You would need to show how it affected his employment contract and I cannot see any chance it does, unless there were other things said that got the player into deep water.Player A has trouble with his car, can't get any satisfaction from his dealer or the car maker, so vents his problems on social media. Oops, said car maker turns out to be a sponsor. Grounds for sacking ?
I realise you cannot.However the idea that this should also extend to expression of beliefs is anathema to anyone who believes in a free society.
That is a guess. I could equally claim they are religious zealots a and homophobes.People donating to Folau are doing so in the belief that they are upholding a freedom from authoritarianism that has crept in.
It's actually going to be about Folau's ability to claim the Fair Work Act covered his right to say what he did.It's about the law being tested, not the person or what he has said.
Yes that too.That is a guess. I could equally claim they are religious zealots a and homophobes.
It's actually going to be about Folau's ability to claim the Fair Work Act covered his right to say what he did.
RA's actions have nothing to do with the Fair Work Act wrt to religious freedoms, so Folau is trying to cast a very wide net to draw it in.
It's also the case that Folau's public profile has significantly contributed to the damage he has done to the game, so it exactly opposite to your claims.
Darren Cane's article was very good (doubt he prepared much of it - stand to be corrected!).From an article:
(and in response to your "Um no see above")
It will not matter how many times I say it, you will just ignore the fact employers have a right to protect their workers from the slights of their coworkers, and to protect their business
It is as simple as realising that some actions carry consequences.
As I said before, you need to show your points have merit. All you do is repeat yourself.That's a typical snowflake response. People get slighted everyday and they have the right to respond in kind.
Who cares!But tell me, how many people do you think actually agree with what Folau said ?
Again, it has nothing to do with why RA has acted.Social media has been awash with those opposed to him, as has mainstream media. He's been made to look small and that's where "protection" comes from, the people.
Too funny Rumpy.Folau's views can be dismissed in 2 words, "prove it".
As I said before, you need to show your points have merit. All you do is repeat yourself.
and damaging his employer.
Exactly.Prove his employer has been damaged.
Agreed.An individual's private life has nothing to do with their employer.
Seriously?Prove his employer has been damaged.
Then why didn't Folau do that?RA's actions have done the most damage to RA. If folks just rolled their eyes and let this issue slip under the waves... It wouldn't even be an issue.
Typical of your garbage. Apply some thought to come up with real issues - because it is not too hard.Also, my concern is what sort of can of worms does this open? Any sort of comment that may offend any of generation snowflake *could result in the same.
You mean when should we not put BS in front of all your posts?What happens when P gets added to LBGTQXYZ. Will it be sackable to shxtcan pedos? (I'm being rhetorical, but this future scenaro would not surprise me)
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