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Iron Ore

There was a good article in the AFR this weekend regarding FMG.

FMG needs the price of iron ore to be around at '$100 per ton' mark to fund it's mines and service debt levels, but only for he next 12 months or so. l'm sure they will manage, but it will still be interesting to see how they go if...
 
I've been interviewing people for a permanent position (trades) recently.

Suffice to say that I've encountered more than one who has been put off by contractors working for BHP or Rio at iron ore mines in WA as a cost cutting measure.

That says it all really. The big miners are now actively looking to cut costs rather than aiming to maximise production.
 
Fortescue unhappy with iron ore price


Never seen this site, but the chart looked handy.....



Question - Will Gina continue with her Roy Hill project?
 
Miners forced to take discounted prices for iron ore



http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Miners-forced-to-take-discounted-prices-for-iron-o-pd20120905-XUPQM?opendocument&src=rss
 
The Aussie Debacle Is Signaling A Chinese Hard Landing, As The Iron Ore Market Melts



Anchalee Worrachate, Monami Yui, Bloomberg


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...g-a-chinese-hard-landing-2012-9#ixzz27OM4hPiO

Sep. 23, 2012, 7:28 PM

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...gest-bear-market-in-20-years-commodities.html


Iron Ore Heads for Longest Bear Market in 20 Years: Commodities

By Bloomberg News - Oct 3, 2012 4:27 PM GMT+1000

excerpt

 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...gest-bear-market-in-20-years-commodities.html


Iron Ore Heads for Longest Bear Market in 20 Years: Commodities

By Bloomberg News - Oct 3, 2012 4:27 PM GMT+1000

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Thanks for the post Joules!
I read it last friday but popped back in to see if anyone had made any comments today. Some hard times ahead for iron ore perhaps? I know FMG are trying to get all their good stuff which has a 1:1 strip ratio (wastere) but I was looking around and seen Karara calculate a 0.34:1 strip ratio... They have good ore too. As an ex FMG employee I do hope that they stick around for a long while yet. They are doing some good things and they are employing a lot of good people. They just dont appear to be in as good a position as the other iron ore miners.

As a newbie, and someone who has made a tidy living out of iron ore I am interested to hear peoples opinions on where they speculate iron is going.
 
Interesting - BHP has been buying a little iron ore in the spot markets...


http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/1-bhp-buys-iron-ore-095147855.html
 
Funny games going on for sure? Not sure how the record shipments of iron ore tally with the global steel glut?

Governments around the world are still building and subsidising steel making facilities in order to provide employment for the voting masses. China has realised that it can't keep subsidising loss making mills while India has only just realised this as well.

I think the latest rise in the IO price is an over-reaction to China's latest 'easing' policies and the general perception that they have avoided the dreaded 'hard' landing, but eventually the price will reflect intrinsic global demand. Or at least till governments run out of (subsidising and or stimulation) money?
 

Per the previous post about BHP buying back it's own previously exported iron ore (presumably to artificially prop up prices that would decline further, hurting future plans?) - maybe this is the beginning of the end of Australia's mining boom? But not China's - I suspect they have many new, cheaper markets in mind to target. They will squeeze Oz for all she is worth.

 
Probably the wrong thread to post this, but it's a really interesting article on the cost of capital projects in Australia.

CITIC Pacific’s Sino Iron project produced its much-awaited first shipment of iron ore concentrate in December last year, $US6 billion over budget and four years behind schedule.



http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/1/9/china/chinas-shock-and-ore-australian-way

Yes there are lots of poor planning and lack of local knowledge on display here, but it also highlights how uncompetitive Australia is for global investments from a cost perspective.
 
Yes there are lots of poor planning and lack of local knowledge on display here, but it also highlights how uncompetitive Australia is for global investments from a cost perspective.

Have friends who worked on the project, the Chinese took a heap of short cuts causing a lot of re-work here in Oz.

Still the over run is staggering.
 
Lots of brokers calling FMG RIO and the like buys.
Technicals all seem to be failing.
Desperation as they get spanked for the moment it seems.
China IO imports up 10.2% on year but down 5.7% for December and the surplus shrunk and was below expectations for the month. Tell The Bull to add that to their article.
 

The last time I wrote in here. The Bull was bulling IO for January, which I am sure made for some most unpleasant experiences for some.

Here is what has happened since then 6 months -



Now there appears to be a bit of a bottom forming. Here is some relative picks 2 years -

 
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