The index vs you argument is presented as either or. In truth, the argument is richer and nowhere like the way it is presented by the indexers. Like RoE...everyone is unique and he has learned a lot from his experiences - it is obvious from his posts which are recommended reading. Index funds suit a lot of people. They may not suit you.
Hi Everyone,
I've been picking my own stocks for quite sometime and absolutely love it. However, I hate it when I meet indexers who would just hate on people who pick their own stocks.
I've gotten the classic "Your so arrogant in believing you can beat the market... blah blah blah", "Who do you think you are!" "You will never be Warren Buffet" etc etc.
Have any of you gotten crap from indexers? Personally I have nothing against people who index invest and would never put them down. Indexing is but one strategy out of many, I just wish they would stop hating on us stock pickers.
Over the years I've followed strict stop losses and have done reasonably well picking my own stock but I still like to keep an open mind so I'm interested in hearing about what you guys think about index investing VS stock picking.
Happy Investing!
So it's doable, just a lot of work... and that's why there's only a few Buffetts in the world... the rest either index, or chartists, or salesman.
... 2. If it does, what do you think makes Buffett/Munger so special that they can overcome time limitations to produce such outstanding results?
Best.
If I may offer an opinion:
Munger stops Buffett from making mistakes.
Hi.
That's fantastic Luu. Thanks for continuing to share your fabulous thoughts.
I am curious for your views on hard work and investment outcomes.
Berkshire Hathaway, prior to transition concerns for Buffett and Munger, only has a small staff and an investment team consisting largely of Buffett who checked his thinking against Munger. Both guys get 24 hours in a day like everyone else. Lots of other people in investments pull monster hours and work alone, in duos or larger teams.
The two newer portfolio managers work as loners, each being responsible for a separate pool of money and they are doing better than Buffett himself (who manages a much larger portfolio and may be more constrained in other ways).
So:
1. Does hard work link to investment outcomes? How and why?
2. If it does, what do you think makes Buffett/Munger so special that they can overcome time limitations to produce such outstanding results?
Best.
Hi Everyone,
I've been picking my own stocks for quite sometime and absolutely love it. However, I hate it when I meet indexers who would just hate on people who pick their own stocks.
I've gotten the classic "Your so arrogant in believing you can beat the market... blah blah blah", "Who do you think you are!" "You will never be Warren Buffet" etc etc.
Have any of you gotten crap from indexers? Personally I have nothing against people who index invest and would never put them down. Indexing is but one strategy out of many, I just wish they would stop hating on us stock pickers.
Over the years I've followed strict stop losses and have done reasonably well picking my own stock but I still like to keep an open mind so I'm interested in hearing about what you guys think about index investing VS stock picking.
Happy Investing!
You should aim to generate one figure (or maybe two) that shows your annual performance. If it beats the index, then hooray for you and you can rebut the haters. If it doesn't, then maybe you should be an indexer.
But either way, it'll be based on solid data.
I wonder how many people "really" returned 14.55% per annum for the last 3 years through their stock picking. In the following table, look at VAS which is Vanguards Australian Shares Index ETF.
I just had a look, my return for the last 3 years to yesterday is a touch under 11% PA.
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One can always use the hybrid approach.
Pick an index, eg: ASX20 and just strip out of it those sectors that one knows will be flops in the foreseeable future eg: mining and energy.
You just strip out WPL,RIO,ORG,BHP and purchase the remaining 16 shares.
Doing this gives you a high probability or doing better than the market.
I doubt that would work. The sectors you think are flops are the ones everyone currently thinks are flops. Chances are you'll do worse than the market, since you'll overweight the 'hot sectors'.
You could be correct, but so far (for me) this strategy has been working very well. Give it another about 3 quarters (when the blood is in the streets) then it should be time to buy again. Likewise, as they say ..... "don't fight the market" .... just lead it a little bit.
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