How do you lose weight?

RamonR said:

The people pushing the energy balance thing are missing one point. ( I was a firm believer in this until recently ).

You can get fat only eating half the calories you are supposed to, if they are simple carbs. Eat the carbs and the body releases insulin to remove blood sugar from blood.

Instantly depositing the calories into fat cells. Now the rest of your body doesn't have the energy it needs so it makes you lazy and raises your hunger.

Avoiding the release of insulin if the best way to loose weight and maintain a healthy body.

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050326095632.htm

According to lead researcher, Guenther Boden, M.D., "When carbohydrates were restricted, study subjects spontaneously reduced their caloric intake to a level appropriate for their height, did not compensate by eating more protein or fat, and lost weight. We concluded that excessive overeating had been fueled by carbohydrates."

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In addition to the calorie reduction and weight loss, subjects experienced markedly improved glucose levels and insulin sensitivity, as well as lower triglycerides and cholesterol.
Treatment for diabetes centers on closely monitoring sugar levels, diet and medication. Weight loss can often reduce or eliminate the need for medication, including insulin.

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good five part presentation

https://www.myimsonline.com/news/Presentation-by-Dr-Mary-Vernon-at-KU-Medical-Center

Motorway ==>

Two seemingly benign nutritional maxims are at the root of all dietary evil: A calorie is a calorie, and You are what you eat.Both ideas are now so entrenched in public consciousness that they have become virtually unassailable.

As a result, the food industry, aided and abetted by ostensibly well-meaning scientists and politicians, has afflicted humankind with the plague of chronic metabolic disease, which threatens to bankrupt health care worldwide.

These two nutritional maxims give credence to the food industry’s self-serving corollaries: If a calorie is a calorie, then any food can be part of a balanced diet; and, if we are what we eat, then everyone chooses what they eat. Again, both are misleading.


Two seemingly benign nutritional maxims are at the root of all dietary evil: A calorie is a calorie, and You are what you eat


http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-diet-debacle


Motorway

sails said:

And tea or coffee without sugar!

IMO, getting hungry is the worst thing when dieting. I think the body goes into starvation mode and slows the metabolism.

I have found it best to eat something - maybe a small piece of cheese, an apple, etc. High protein foods often help to quell hunger. It is easier to hang in for the long haul.

Also, Burst or Interval training helps to increase the metabolism with only a small amount of time required, although this should be in addition to a healthy exercise regime and not replace it - more info on this technique can be found on the internet. I have run this past a couple of physios and they agree it is a good way to help speed up weight loss.

The above is no more than my

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Have sugar but just dont drink 10 cups a day, you get used to hunger, it's not so bad when you get into the swing of it, that's the hard part but once you zone in on it the rest is easy.

motorway said:

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A 'study' with five participants????

My views on nutrition and weight loss have changed substantially since I remember posting about the topic on here a few years ago.

Enter Intermittent Fasting... http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

I now follow this approach and love the ease of fitting in with everyday life and the results. I can safely say I will never return to a more 'traditional' approach.

I find fat is repulsive...well, it is to me...I could never imagine myself being fat
So there is about 90% of the answer
I do not picture myself being fat....so I will never be fat
I think you have to picture yourself being fat, in order to become fat...

or alternatively, being a moron, thinking you can eat humungeous amounts of food, and not considering the results, or where it will lead

I honesty believe fat, or overweight people, must be obsessed with food, or eat the wrong type of food, or too much food, or picture themselves being fatties

I would also dislike doing exercise....like running or whatever, or god forbid, going to a gym, or whatever, to undo the wrong things to create that situation.

I think people fool themselves, they eat too much, the wrong foods, then console themselves, with the idea, that they can undo the wrongs, by exercising....but the brain has been fooled, with all the exscess fats and calories, the brain is then dulled, and they do not follow through with the exercise, or the undoing process.


I much prefer to be active, in my ordinary everyday activities, doing things that I enjoy.

I may sit in an office, all day, but I move around constantly.
I walk, move, put everything out of reach, I keep myself moving in the office..

I love food, but I have my priorities right, I put them in order, get a correct perspective.
I love life, and everything important in my life.
ie my health, appearance, ego, which then provides for my family, career and finances etc..not necessarily in that order.
My family is of utmost importance to me.
But to carry out my duty to my family, I must remain healthy. Then in order to provide for them, I must be intelligent, financially astute, have a career etc, which in my world, appearance and ego is everything.

as an aside... I met this woman today....a public servant
I noticed she had a picture of a horse on her PC, and to lighten the conversation I inquired about the horses

she said she had 3 horses, Anglo Arabs, young horses, less than 15 hands high....that she either rode, or was training...she was having problems with them

This woman was a giant, I swear she was over 150 kgs plus, almost 7 foot tall.....
I told her, a 15 hands horse, was actually a pony... a child size horse
I asked her what she weighed....she said she did not know
I said to her, if I was a 15 hand pony. I would be concerned if I could carry her weight

This woman was totally dillusional.....she was a bloody giant....and she wondered why the tiny ponies, would run away whenever she came into view......

kincella said:

I honesty believe fat, or overweight people, must be obsessed with food, or eat the wrong type of food, or too much food, or picture themselves being fatties

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It is entirely possible that some fat people eat a lot less calories then you do.
It is covered by your answer about eating wrong type of food.

Insulin makes you obsessed with food. One a high protein diet I have not suffered from any of the cravings I would normally feel if I just attempted to eat less.
I have lost 8 kg in 6 weeks with minimal need for will power in a environment where there is pkts of Tim Tam and cup cakes 90% of the time. ( having said all that I did eat one Tim Tam tonight after it was shoved under my nose tonight which lead to hunger and me eating 3 more)

motorway said:

Two seemingly benign nutritional maxims are at the root of all dietary evil: A calorie is a calorie, and You are what you eat.Both ideas are now so entrenched in public consciousness that they have become virtually unassailable.

As a result, the food industry, aided and abetted by ostensibly well-meaning scientists and politicians, has afflicted humankind with the plague of chronic metabolic disease, which threatens to bankrupt health care worldwide.

These two nutritional maxims give credence to the food industry’s self-serving corollaries: If a calorie is a calorie, then any food can be part of a balanced diet; and, if we are what we eat, then everyone chooses what they eat. Again, both are misleading.


Two seemingly benign nutritional maxims are at the root of all dietary evil: A calorie is a calorie, and You are what you eat


http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-diet-debacle


Motorway

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I've heard a lot about this lately, we are apparantly meant to eat like what we are, carnivors, meat and fat, a few vegeatable , forget the grains, bread and carbs

Try eating steak and eggs twice a day you soon get sick of it but it works, or so they say.

The Science of Low Carb



Motorway

look at the cheap meals, the mcdonalds, kfc etc...it is not confined to the lower income families...full of fat, but it all tastes like cardboard....everyone seems to eat it....cheap and quick

all I can say is, you did not see one prisoner of war, walk out of the prisons, with an ounce of fat on them....
and that blows away all the different diets, and reasons why some people cannot lose weight, or are overweight

when I am busy, stressed or involved in an exercise, or project..and time is limited, I actually forget to eat....eating is not a priority for me
most of the time, one meal a day is enuff.....dont get me wrong I like food, my own cooking, with very little fat, creams or sugars....I dont do takeaway....
clear soups, meat, fish and vegies, forms the substantial part of my diet, and yummy desserts, only every now and then
I guess I get my kicks from other activities....I dont care for the big deal of eating 3 meals a day, never have, never will....and am in pretty good health...enjoyed good health most of my life
meals are small in size,
you can shrink your stomach, so it will recognise it is full on a small meal
I know a couple of young girls, they are great cooks, but both are the size of elephants...its the size of their meals, and the massive amounts of creams, and sugars and fat in the food they cook....I just dont get them, why do that to your body

and water is good for you...drink it instead of other drinks

kincella said:

all I can say is, you did not see one prisoner of war, walk out of the prisons, with an ounce of fat on them....

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Maybe consider the fact that they were simply starving. It was hardly a case of selective eating.

MrBurns said:

I've heard a lot about this lately, we are apparantly meant to eat like what we are, carnivors, meat and fat, a few vegeatable , forget the grains, bread and carbs

Try eating steak and eggs twice a day you soon get sick of it but it works, or so they say.

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You won't die of obesity but I'll bet bowel cancer would be a real issue. Atkins had fat liver disorder when he died. There's no need for bizarre eating regimes, a normal balanced diet is all you need. It's no surprise that the cheaper the calories are, the fatter the population.

I don't understand why such a simple process is not understood, if you eat more calories than you burn you will accumulate fat. You can talk about how various foods metabolise in your body and how insulin sends starchy foods to fat cells but it's irrelevant; the only thing that matters is calories in v calories out. If you are eating fewer calories than you are burning eventually your body will start burning those fat cells.

Back at uni I used to cycle a lot, we're talking 500-600km/week. I also used to eat about 3500-4500 calories/day (including a pack of Tim Tams/night) and I had no fat. Now, I don't do as much exercise so I eat far fewer calories although probably more than I should and as a result I'm about 15kg heavier than I was then. If I want to lose weight I cut down on calories or increase the burn rate. It's so simple but people try and make it complex. Most people don't realise how many calories they are eating that's why they don't lose weight.

Everything else is just a fad.

McLovin said:

I don't understand why such a simple process is not understood, if you eat more calories than you burn you will accumulate fat. You can talk about how various foods metabolise in your body and how insulin sends starchy foods to fat cells but it's irrelevant; the only thing that matters is calories in v calories out. If you are eating fewer calories than you are burning eventually your body will start burning those fat cells.

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Because most don't get it and need a crutch:

Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

Back at uni I used to cycle a lot, we're talking 500-600km/week. I also used to eat about 3500-4500 calories/day (including a pack of Tim Tams/night) and I had no fat. Now, I don't do as much exercise so I eat far fewer calories although probably more than I should and as a result I'm about 15kg heavier than I was then. If I want to lose weight I cut down on calories or increase the burn rate. It's so simple but people try and make it complex. Most people don't realise how many calories they are eating that's why they don't lose weight.

Everything else is just a fad.

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x2 that's how I see it. It's not so much what you eat but how much you're eating. You can stay reasonably lean and fit without cutting out some of the junk food and the so-called bad carbs.

A lot those low carb/ high protein tweaks that circulate around the web are for those who need perfectly sculpted abs or bodies for bodybuilding or fitness contests.

Day 4, I've had cup of soup followed by a bannana for lunch and dinner, no special menu, beef strog tonight BUT no snacks, just tea lost about 4kg so far

But tomorrows Friday, mmmmm drinkies time but if I don't snack I will continue to lose.

McLovin said:

You won't die of obesity but I'll bet bowel cancer would be a real issue. Atkins had fat liver disorder when he died. There's no need for bizarre eating regimes, a normal balanced diet is all you need. It's no surprise that the cheaper the calories are, the fatter the population.

I don't understand why such a simple process is not understood, if you eat more calories than you burn you will accumulate fat. You can talk about how various foods metabolise in your body and how insulin sends starchy foods to fat cells but it's irrelevant; the only thing that matters is calories in v calories out. If you are eating fewer calories than you are burning eventually your body will start burning those fat cells.

Back at uni I used to cycle a lot, we're talking 500-600km/week. I also used to eat about 3500-4500 calories/day (including a pack of Tim Tams/night) and I had no fat. Now, I don't do as much exercise so I eat far fewer calories although probably more than I should and as a result I'm about 15kg heavier than I was then. If I want to lose weight I cut down on calories or increase the burn rate. It's so simple but people try and make it complex. Most people don't realise how many calories they are eating that's why they don't lose weight.

Everything else is just a fad.

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Glucose and Insulin drive cancer
and a Calorie IS not a Calorie.

You are not what you eat. BUT WHAT YOU DO WITH WHAT YOU EAT.


look at this first video in the obesity series..>

(The Mary Vernon presentation is good too)

esp from the 8 min mark->


Liver ? a number of studies proving that the SUN does not go around the Earth ( to quote Eric Westman ). fat in the liver comes from carbs not eating fat.

As Eric stated .. YES the Sun looks like it goes around the earth.

But what we think we know is WRONG


Short-term weight loss and hepatic triglyceride reduction: evidence of a metabolic advantage with dietary carbohydrate restriction

http://www.ajcn.org/content/93/5/1048.full


"Individuals with nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) have excess intrahepatic triglycerides. This is due, in part, to increased hepatic synthesis of fat from carbohydrates via lipogenesis. Although weight loss is currently recommended to treat NAFLD, little attention has been given to dietary carbohydrate restriction."

Two weeks of dietary intervention (≈4.3% weight loss) reduced hepatic triglycerides by ≈42% in subjects with NAFLD; however, reductions were significantly greater with dietary carbohydrate restriction than with calorie restriction.

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If you are hormonally set up ( by excess carbs ) to store fat.
Then you will have to Eat it and not burn it.


IE you will be Hungary and tired.

Sure you can put up with that( and feel like your starving )
But you are fighting a losing battle.

Low carb does not mean you can not eat healthy
fresh meats seafood, pretty well unlimited non starchy vegetables, some fruit.
Dairy eggs, IE real food in an unprocessed state.

A huge menu and many protein choices and fat choices.. Avocados Olives
You can even do a vegetarian version.

A good amount of research being done.

Worthwhile exploring.

Some good presentations
Some good books.

A search though pubmed
throw up some worthwhile and interesting papers.

All good weight loss requires the burning of fat stores.

Insulin among other things switches off fat burning and switches the body to fat storage.

( first vid I posted below ( episode 2 ) went into some of this detail )

A search will bring up papers on cancer , dementia , diabetes and obesity
As seen in the vid the same metabolic process is driving many of these things.

Remember many who do turn to low carb diets are very damaged
very obese with very bad metabolic damage.

As seen in the science many of these stop all form of medications
Diabetes , Blood pressure and cholesterol.

But a life time of damage ( like the guy with the blocked arteries in Eric Westman's vid ) is not so easily reversed 100%. prevention and healthy life ( lucky if you start in the womb/ Mother's diet and lifestyle ) is much better.

You want to build muscle and burn fat.
In evolutionary terms. We did not eat three square meals a day.
We had feast and famine. we often hunted and did not catch anything. We ate only after we found something. Our bodies are very happy being fat burners . Our minds sharpen ( Had to, the hungrier we were the better we needed to be able to hunt and gather )

In the modern world we drown in sugar and starch. Our bodies are in permanent fat storage mode. getting ready for a winter or famine that NEVER COMES.

We gorge on out of season fruit and foods. And concoctions of sugar+fat and the artificial.



Motorway

Less out than in. Easiest way to do it is to exercise. Problem is that too many people expect easy answers. They want to sit on the couch and watch the kilos fall off.

Doesn't need to be complicated, although a whole industry depends on it being that way.

McLovin said:

Less out than in. Easiest way to do it is to exercise. Problem is that too many people expect easy answers. They want to sit on the couch and watch the kilos fall off.

Doesn't need to be complicated, although a whole industry depends on it being that way.

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Whilst it is ultimately true . That Less in then out.
Is the only way to loose weight that is as helpful as saying all you need to do in the share market is sell for higher then you bought.

It also comes with what feels like judgement that fat people are just lazy.
As explained in links when you are insulin resistant and eat wrong type of foods then your body misses out on the energy your fat cells got, so it simultaneously conserves energy ( making you indolent ) and increases hunger.

Whilst the is a high percentage of people in our society that have metabolic syndrome , not everybody does.
So some of the answers provided in this thread are appropriate for them and some of the other answers in the thread are appropriate for the others.

RamonR said:

Whilst the is a high percentage of people in our society that have metabolic syndrome , not everybody does.
So some of the answers provided in this thread are appropriate for them and some of the other answers in the thread are appropriate for the others.

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Err...isn't being sedentry and overweight a risk factor to developing metabolic syndrome? I don't doubt there are those with genuine medical conditions, but for far too many it is nothing more than a low locus of control which makes it easier to blame something or someone other than themselves. I've got plenty of overweight friends, I'm probably a bit overweight myself at the moment, but they all know why they are overweight.

It's funny how people who stay active and eat reasonably well aren't the ones developing all these diseases and syndromes. You don't need to be a doctor to connect the dots.

McLovin said:

Err...isn't being sedentry and overweight a risk factor to developing metabolic syndrome? I don't doubt there are those with genuine medical conditions, but for far too many it is nothing more than a low locus of control which makes it easier to blame something or someone other than themselves.

It's funny how people who stay active and eat reasonably well aren't the ones developing all these diseases and syndromes. You don't need to be a doctor to connect the dots.

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I recommend reading the links and viewing the links provided.

If one’s weight really is a matter of personal responsibility, how can we explain toddler obesity? Indeed, the US has an obesity epidemic in six-month-olds. They don’t diet or exercise. Conversely, up to 40% of normal-weight people have chronic metabolic disease. Something else is going on.

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Two points !

The obesity epidemic in toddlers

You can be normal weight and have metabolic disease.

40% of normal-weight people have chronic metabolic disease. Something else is going on.

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That is a shocking statistic.

40% of all normal weight people.. These are people who probably consider themselves
relatively healthy and active and have a good diet.

( this begs a very significant question regarding treatment)

Short Vid

DEATH BY SUGAR


Motorway

Todler obesity: Parents who overeat and have poor diet overfeed their child the same food; child puts on weight. Toddlers will eat whatever you give them, they're human garbage disposal units.

I've seen overweight labradors as well. Should I conclude that the labrador is suffering from some exotic canine version of metabolic disease or that the owner overfeeds it.

It amazes me the lengths people will go to explain away their own overeating.