wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
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Dont get it---to deep for me.
I used to comment but there is no point. Which is obvious from the responses you see here and the comments I post up.
People including myself have their own views.
So be it.
Mine is simply one of Business.
"Pulling the trigger" at the wrong time may be financial suicide. Property in 40 years time will certainly be well in excess of today's price in nominal terms. But it's what happens in between that may be financial life or death for an individual.
■ The seasonally adjusted Australian Industry Group/ Housing Industry
Association Performance of Construction Index (Australian PCI ®)
registered 43.1 in August, to remain below the critical 50.0 points level
separating expansion from contraction for a sixth straight month.
■ The decline reflected the impact of weaker house building activity,
a further fall in the apartment sector (albeit at a slower rate) and
a reduction in work on engineering construction projects. This
outweighed an improvement in commercial activity, which expanded
for the first time in the past six months.
Activity by sector
■ House building activity contracted for a seventh consecutive month in
August, with the sub-index registering 34.5. This was down 3.1 points
on the reading in July, and signalled an increase in the rate of decline
in housing output.
■ While apartment construction sector also posted a seventh straight
month of falling activity, the pace of decline eased markedly, with
the sub-index lifting by 14.8 points in August to 43.3.
New orders by sector
■ The house building sector registered a decline in new orders for
a seventh consecutive month, although the pace of decline eased
slightly with the index rising by 0.4 points in August to 36.8.
■ In the apartment sector, new orders maintained the decline evident
since January 2008 with an index reading of 39.8. However, this was
6.3 points higher than the previous month, representing the least
marked rate of decline in the past seven months.
OK I'll type this very slowly.
* You castigated those who are bearish on property as "can't pull the trigger"
* You went short on BHP and WPL because you believed that they would go down. You were beraish
* If you could not short BHP and WPL, I'm guessing you would be sitting on your hands with those two stocks.
You still with me?
* Therefore, you wouldn't be pulling any triggers.
* Someone bearish on property (as you cannot short property) would be sitting on their hands also. (doesn't matter whether they are wrong or right)
Logical, yes?
* Therefore you stand condemned by your own hand. Otherwise you would be long BHP and WPL as they have great prospects over the next 40 years as well.
Get it now?
"Pulling the trigger" at the wrong time may be financial suicide. Property in 40 years time will certainly be well in excess of today's price in nominal terms. But it's what happens in between that may be financial life or death for an individual.
Landlords are going bankrupt in their droves over here due to "pulling the trigger" at the wrong time. They "pulled the trigger" but they are not "enjoying the ride" - the two definitive positions in your post.
When you go hunting, you don't rush into the forest and start blasting away. You'll scare off the deer and probably shoot your mates in the @ss like Cheney.
You wait until you can pick off your quarry with one shot, then go home and have a festive meal with family and friends.
"There's a lot of misconceptions about home prices, people think that there is a strong historical uptrend to them. In fact by my data there is not. In fact home prices in the United Sates if you correct for inflation, in 1990 were about the same as they were in 1890."
I understand the difference between the terms of trade and the balance of trade, however those higher prices weren't enough to push trade into positive territory for GDP in the latest quarter. Next quarter will probably be a different story though.
I agree that relative to the rest of the developed world that we are doing OK. However the mantra about the resources sector saving the day may be wishful thinking given that roughly 90% of the economy relates to the service sector and that sector has been in contraction for 5 straight months.
Kiwi,
You really need to check your facts before you make claims like that. On the Household Consumption expenditures graph there are 5 quarters showing negative growth excluding the current quarter just completed. They were;
3Q90 -0.1%, 4Q90 -0.3%, 1Q91 -0.4%, 1Q93 -0.6%, 3Q93 -0.3%.
Here are the corresponding quarters of GDP growth;
3Q90 -0.5%, 4Q90 0.0%, 1Q91 -0.7%, 1Q93 1.2%, 3Q93 -0.1%,
3 of the 5 quarters showed negative GDP growth, one was flat and one positive so your statement is completely wrong. How about that list of OECD countries with 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth? Or did you make that up as well?
Its actually about 75% and imports usually drop during periods of low growth. We'll see but i see of the balnce of trade improving in the next 6 months
I said overall positive mate you just quoted 9 quarters of ofabout 80 in 17 years thats about 15% still very ovrall positive
Straight in the "too hard basket".
Have a nice evening.
And before the delicate flowers leap all over me, no I'm not trying to say the OZ market is the same or that the historical pattern is the same. Just thought it was interesting. Well worth a watch.
The doozy for me is if someone can then answer the question: were houses expensive back in 1890? And where were 1990 prices relative to recent levels before and after that time?
It still tells me that as an inflation hedge its better to hold your wealth in a property and pay down debt than it is to keep pouring it into things that depreciate.
Oh no, more hockey sticks.
This chart looks very dodgy indeed, would not like to be on the end of that red spike. A fall of 30%+ looks very likely.
I have always thought that it was the price of the land that was the most significant factor in contributing to house prices.
Simple supply demand consideration is that, isn't there FAR less land available to be built on in metropolitan areas and therefore the prices of land (and houses) MUST go up over time.
At this moment in human development populations have exploded, and everyone has moved to cities! There isn't a spare piece of dirt within 15km of the Melbourne CBD. (Except for the West, which is just a **** farm)
Therefore, costs of land has exploded.
It's just supply and demand.
Someone slap me in the face, if I have no idea.
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