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Greece - Is it saveable?

Greece will...

  • Be saved by its neighbours

    Votes: 28 68.3%
  • Break away from the EU

    Votes: 2 4.9%
  • Left to its own devices

    Votes: 7 17.1%
  • Will be ejected from EU

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .
There goes $60B down the drain. How are they going to pay it back?

Maybe they can start making barge poles and sell them to bond buyers - about the only way they are going to make any foreign income?

Greece is stuffed, who's next?
 
There goes $60B down the drain. How are they going to pay it back?

Maybe they can start making barge poles and sell them to bond buyers - about the only way they are going to make any foreign income?

Greece is stuffed, who's next?

Well the great thing Uncle is that the general investment community is learning to understand that countries in this day and age can go broke. It will make for astute observers when a few more start to go broke and they may even begin to look for other ways in which to safeguard their hard won dosh.

However on a Saturdy after a few schooners I find it hard to say more less I get into bother again. Does anyone out there have a clue?
 
However on a Saturdy after a few schooners I find it hard to say more less I get into bother again. Does anyone out there have a clue?

I think you mean Saturday and lest. That's what a few schooners will do. I hope you didn't drive home.
 
I did not realise Greece had scrapped the "drachma" in 2002.

Big, big mistake relinquishing control of their currency to the "money masters" in the European Central Bank headquartered in Frankfurt, Germany.
 
I think you mean Saturday and lest. That's what a few schooners will do. I hope you didn't drive home.

Not at all ole pal, off topic but if ya not good at spellin you dish out with the sounds. Of course in the 1950's the accent was very much Saturdy or Saterdy, and it was Pub day for the returned diggers, Dad always at the front to hide the back (the past)
 
It's a big question isn't it? Perhaps the real question is

"What would be the consequences for large bank solvency, investor confidence and international financial transactions if Greece fell over? "

And of course the follow up question

"How much capacity do other countries have to bankroll a restoration of confidence?"

in 2010 we are not talking about a single or small country taking a dive in a largely robust international world. There is no country that is not in substantial if not dangerous debt. And the financial links that tie countries, banks and economies together suggest that if one country goes "down" it will be a real challenge to keep the rest above water.

The inevitable conclusion of this metaphor is almost all countries will be pulled into the water with their debt millstones locked securely around their throats.

Bit like the collapse of the Austrian banks in 1931 which turned the stock market collapse of 1929 into a true depression.

http://www.globaleconomiccrisis.com/blog/archives/199

Cheers....
 
It's not getting any prettier in Greece and Europe is it?

And it's also clear that the potential loss of multi-billions in bonds could "destabilize" some of the biggest institutions in Europe. From our perspective what investments do we hold and what do we exit from?

Or do we see this as another fantastic buying opportunity within a couple of weeks?

One thing for absolute certainty. Goldman Sux and co will be milking the roiling markets senseless in the next couple of weeks. That means we are going to well and truly shorn if not slaughtered.
 
Of course it is not salvageable. They say God helps those who help themselves but I don't think he meant helping yourself to stuff you can't afford. They are not prepared to put in the hard yards to dig themselves out of their hole.

The EU made the big mistake of taking all these basket cases on board in the first place.

The EU is a failure. By the way, how's Rudd's Asian Union going?
 
I don't get what the consequences are of not being able to pay back debt.

I mean what does it mean for the average Greek?

What would Greece be saved from actually, if it were "saveable"?
 
It doesn't matter if an agreement was made in 3 weeks time or not. Greece will have to face a complete or partial default sooner or later. It's not a matter of if, but when.

In fact, the amount of hurdles that the EU has to go through to get a "bailout" package is simply impossible to go pass given how "political" this has become.

I remember the RBA gave a public comment suggesting the "problem" with EU/Greece is "behind us now". HAH, am I not surprised to know they didn't see this coming? (and while other blogs, ZeroHedge, etc, are jumping up and down about it is getting worse and worse by the day, until today, which was not a surprise at all)

This article is a very good read.

http://www.investorsinsight.com/blo...2010/04/26/the-making-of-a-greek-tragedy.aspx

John Mauldin's on "The Making of a Greek Tragedy".
 
Germany just won't move before the 9th May elections.

EZ will be punished by then and contagion is spreading right now.
 

Most junkies and homeless people can access a credit card at rates cheaper than that...

I am too young to remember the Russian default, and am really interested in how this will all play out, as I have not see a nation of prominence go bankrupt since I have studied Finance.

What I find strange is that the Greek public are protesting so hard against changes to cut government spending...
 
It's all very, sadly, interesting I agree.

What I would like to know is how they are going to get investors to come (back?) to Greece?

There is almost nothing at all a company would want to be there for, small internal market, they cannot devalue their currency to make exports attractive, they cannot offer bonus tax terms due to agreements within the EU and a generally high wage system with immense social payments to boot (Also not to mention stupidly high real estate values, though that may change soon)

Can anyone tell me if I'm wrong about this?
 
What I find strange is that the Greek public are protesting so hard against changes to cut government spending...

Greece has 10 million people. One fifth of the workforce is in the Public Sector, they have jobs for life, they have an early retirement age, and they get a pension of 80% of their income. The Public Sector is also riddled with corruption.

Any realistic cutback in Government spending would involve cutting wages, raising the retirement age and reducing pensions. They are protesting, often violently, over loss of privilege.


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100503-701264.html?mod=rss_Bonds
 
It becomes more and more unlikely. The civil servants are reluctant to give up there their privileges to help Greece out of bankruptcy.

Three dead as Athens burns

ATHENS: Three people were killed last night when an Athens bank went up in flames as tens of thousands of Greeks took to the streets to protest against harsh spending cuts aimed at saving the country from bankruptcy
.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/three-dead-as-athens-burns/story-e6frg6so-1225862813392
 
Here are some interesting facts that almost everyone is unaware of and has not been reported in the media.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704866204575224421086866944.html


Australia's share of IMF = 1.49%, $3236.4 of SDR quota.




We can assume Australia's money is considered "financially sound" and is a "usable resources".

It is of course, impossible to know for sure how much of Australia's money is involved in this bailout. But let's assume it is equally share among all shareholders of IMF.

$3 billion from US of $39 billion = 7.7% share.

Australia has a quota share of 8.77% equivalent to the US's quota.

Therefore, it MAY be possible that we are funding approximately $263,100,000 for the total bailout in Greece.

That's $11.78 for every man, woman and children in Australia to satisfy the greedy unionsed citizen of Greek and their incompetence.

Yes, this does not sound a lot. But $263 million dollar is still a lot of money and could have been better spent elsewhere.

And you can be sure that once the precedent has been set for bailing out Greece, Spain and Portugal will start asking for help as well. The bill will only get more expensive.

So why is Australians have to pay for this ridiculous bailout for someone who is several thousand kilometers away?
 

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