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So imagine how much more damage oil would do if it wasn't possible to lay down booms to contain some (most?) of it. This is ammonia.
Yeah I read the article,
oil floats and creates massive slicks that spread across the surface where as Ammonia dilutes into the water, both cause damage and both have pros and cons.
It’s not as big a deal as you are making out, the relatively small amounts of shipping fuel inside ships wouldn’t cause to much damage on the rare occasion they leaked, the ammonia would dilute down to near background levels and then break down naturally.So imagine how much more damage oil would do if it wasn't possible to lay down booms to contain some (most?) of it. This is ammonia.
So imagine how much more damage oil would do if it wasn't possible to lay down booms to contain some (most?) of it. This is ammonia.
From my knowledge of alcohol people full of the perceived benefits of it don’t worry none too much about spilling it unless there are consequences.It’s not as big a deal as you are making out, the relatively small amounts of shipping fuel inside ships wouldn’t cause to much damage on the rare occasion they leaked, the ammonia would dilute down to near background levels and then break down naturally.
In the case of a tanker spill, That can be mitigated by using modern compartmentalised carriers.
You also have the added benefit over Oil in that a large amount of oil spills come from actually drilling oil in the ocean, but we won’t be drilling for ammonia in the ocean.
nope, there is no 'energy crisis ' in Europe it is the consequence of a string of flawed policy decisions , that included taking existing nuclear reactors off-line prematurely , and the prince/princess syndrome where some expect their desires to be fulfilled instantly , the Russian reaction ( not giving Europe gas for free , while declaring they no longer intended buying Russian energy ) has been very mild and measured to date ( they could still cut the remaining part of the pipeline through Ukraine if they wished )lationYep, FMG is planning to make a lot of hydrogen in WA, because that is where their Iron Mining and shipping operations are, and they are planning on converting those operations to 100% renewable electricity, battery and hydrogen fuels over the next 10 years or so.
So I imagine once they are producing more hydrogen than they can consume in their operations they will be exporting from WA, so early shipments to Europe could be sourced from WA.
However, the Natural home for WA produced Hydrogen fuel exports would be Asia, that’s even more true for any production that comes out of Gladstone. So as FMG’s African projects come online, obviously fuel for Europe would be shipped from there.
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In relation to your other comments,
FMG is actually planning on making Ammonia fuel, which can replace diesel/bunker oil as a fuel for ships so it’s not just straight hydrogen they are looking to exports.
Also, I am not sure if you have noticed but there is an energy crisis in Europe, I am not sure they have large amounts of renewable or nuclear electricity that could be diverted to producing green hydrogen, any extra renewable electricity they produce will be needed to be used as electricity as they wind down fossil fuels over the next 10 years and ween themselves off Russian gas.
Yeah, but just because it’s a man made / political problem definitely doesn’t mean it’s not a crisis.nope, there is no 'energy crisis ' in Europe it is the consequence of a string of flawed policy decisions , that included taking existing nuclear reactors off-line prematurely , and the prince/princess syndrome where some expect their desires to be fulfilled instantly , the Russian reaction ( not giving Europe gas for free , while declaring they no longer intended buying Russian energy ) has been very mild and measured to date ( they could still cut the remaining part of the pipeline through Ukraine if they wished )
the fact that Europe now has issues , is a result of the politicians the citizens have allegedly elected , the citizens can either accept this outcome or start removing incumbent governments ( as is starting to happen )
BTW it is NOT just Russian gas it is Russian oil and coal , and Russia should now only export uranium and wheat and diamonds and nickel to 'friendly nations ' ( which includes over half the world's population )
Europe wants to live in a 'green paradise ' Russia should help accelerate their wishes ( while making strong friendships elsewhere )
Yeah, they can run on soybean oil, but I am not sure how much of the worlds farmland it would be wise to dedicate to producing fuel rather than food.PS the original diesel engines were designed to operate on vegetable oils to change to petroleum products was a CHOICE
not just soy , from memory Bougainville got by nicely using coconut oil back when PNG was sanctioning itYeah, they can run on soybean oil, but I am not sure how much of the worlds farmland it would be wise to dedicate to producing fuel rather than food.
Also, an acre of solar panels will produce more energy than you would collect from an acre of vegetable oil crops, and it’s less fickle than growing crops, not to mention you can put the solar panels in the desert.
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As for europes man made problems, sure they could end next week, but I think Putin is a tough man to deal with at the moment, and even if he comes back in a month with a smile on his face asking to be forgiven, I think the EU still wants more supply from others.
It’s not as big a deal as you are making out, the relatively small amounts of shipping fuel inside ships wouldn’t cause to much damage on the rare occasion they leaked, the ammonia would dilute down to near background levels and then break down naturally.
In the case of a tanker spill, That can be mitigated by using modern compartmentalised carriers.
You also have the added benefit over Oil in that a large amount of oil spills come from actually drilling oil in the ocean, but we won’t be drilling for ammonia in the ocean.
Yep, but remember alternative energy sources don’t have to be perfect, they just have to be better than their predecessors. There is not much point sticking to something that is dreadful when decent alternatives exist just because the decent alternative isn’t perfect.My other concerns I guess I should have mentioned earlier are:
Burning hydrogen creates NOx gasses with potential for greenhouse effect#, but these emissions can possibly be reduced with catalytic convertors and/or advanced engine design
Desalinisation prior to electrolysis - There is the question of what happens to the brine. Unless carefully managed, it can do a lot of damage to the local coastal environment, it sinks to the bottom and tends to stay there unless there are sufficient currents to move it along. I would hope that since Twiggy has a marine biology degree, he would be aware of this though...
# eg https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02987512
It doesn’t matter which vege oil you use, it still requires farmland, water and fertilisers, all of which are better used to produce food or just leave as natural forest.not just soy , from memory Bougainville got by nicely using coconut oil back when PNG was sanctioning it
Putin would not be as harsh as me to deal with ( and i am only a former paper-boy and VERY small business person ) i would be inclined to weld the door shut and chop the phone lines , MAYBE Trump could unfreeze the ice in the Russian heart but i doubt many other ( potential ) NATO leaders would even get a moments attention , let alone any pity
Europe burnt their bridges with me over Cyprus
now solar panels ( in the past i had three arrays , the max allowed on residential properties in QLD ) keeping those solar systems functional for more than 5 years has been an eye-opener and i haven't even tested out the battery durability yet ( and QLD has pretty good weather for solar , might be a bit harsh on the batteries , though 45C gets tested now and then )
i am thinking Europe's hope vanished with Nord Stream and Putin is just trolling to inspire extra unrest
and more importantly China is cooling towards the West , that also will have repercussions
This is the FMG thread, not the Iron Ore thread.@Joe Blow, I vote we have 2 FMG threads, one for iron ore only and the other one for any wild and irrelevant topic you like. I have FMG but I am about to put this one on ignore.
I arrived at your post, then realised that I have just wasted 10 minutes of oxygen in this crook. ?@Joe Blow, I vote we have 2 FMG threads, one for iron ore only and the other one for any wild and irrelevant topic you like. I have FMG but I am about to put this one on ignore.
The last dozen or so posts had nothing to do with FMG. Now, let's see, how do I put this one on ignore.This is the FMG thread, not the Iron Ore thread.
Discussing things that relate to FMG’s energy business is on topic in my opinion.
We were discussing Ammonia based fuels, and renewable energy as they relate to the viability of FMGs proposed new business, that is directly related to FMG’s energy business.The last dozen or so posts had nothing to do with FMG. Now, let's see, how do I put this one on ignore.
@Joe Blow, I vote we have 2 FMG threads, one for iron ore only and the other one for any wild and irrelevant topic you like. I have FMG but I am about to put this one on ignore.
Not to worry @Joe Blow, I will put this thread on ignore.This is a difficult dispute to mediate. FMG is a large business and Value Collector has claimed that the discussion of ammonia based fuels was relevant to FMG's proposed new energy business. To complicate (or perhaps simplify) matters, Value Collector has now put you on ignore which means that you should not be able to see any of his posts. I am assuming that much of the discussion that irritated you is now not visible to you... which makes it difficult to know how to proceed.
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