misterS said:It may come as a nasty surprise to the "martyrs" when it is revealed WHY these 72 women died virgins...
misterS said:It may come as a nasty surprise to the "martyrs" when it is revealed WHY these 72 women died virgins...
I think that's a bit pessimistic m8. East Timor's problems were arguably religious in origins - Aus did a good job of sorting it out, and still keeping peaceful relations with Indon. Such a mighty job, - if anything we were too slow to act, (imo), but that's another story. Then, Osama BL broadcast that Aus was on the AQ hit list because of our efforts in East Timor.(?). Proves his knowledge of world events, and interpretation thereof, is totally twisted. But don't blame the entire moslem religion - the Indonesian Govt themselves are generally locking up extremists as fast as they find them. (in some cases, I concede, a bit slower than others, with some strange durations of imprisonment).mmmmining said:The great religions war is well on its way. ... Fair or unfair, live with it. ..
misterS, strange how storm clouds can have silver linings, yes.misterS said:Indonesia is a good example of a government doing lots to evolve and emerge from the corruption/oppression stage that others are stuck in. Ironically, the unpalatable decisions around some of those involved with the Bali atrocities actually represented a positive sign - the effective independent operation of their judicial system. The "rule of law" replacing a tame judiciary responding to government pressure. ..
porkpie324 said:I'll certainly let my MP no my position, leave hicks where he is.porkpie
Kremmen,Kremmen said:I'm sure you will. One can only hope that your MP understands the difference between "no" and "know" and values the opinions of one of his incredibly ignorant constituents appropriately.
Anyone who believes that "Hicks is a suspected terriorist" is sufficient grounds for 5 years in jail without trial is beyond hope. If someone suspects you're a terrorist, is it okay for us to throw you in jail for 5 years without any proper evidence? I'm guessing you'd object to that, but it would be a well-deserved response to your attitude.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/America/Mandela_Blasts_Bush.html
Nelson Mandela Blasts Bush on Iraq, Warns of 'Holocaust'
by Toby Reynolds indymedia.org, January 30, 2003
Former South African President Nelson Mandela lashed out at U.S. President George Bush's stance on Iraq on Thursday, saying the Texan had no foresight and could not think properly.
Mandela, a towering statesman respected the world over for his fight against Apartheid-era discrimination, said the U.S. leader and British Prime Minister Tony Blair were undermining the United Nations, and suggested they would not be doing so if the organization had a white leader.
"It is a tragedy what is happening, what Bush is doing in Iraq," Mandela told an audience in Johannesburg. "What I am condemning is that one power, with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust," he added, to loud applause.
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But he said he was happy that people, especially those in the United States, were opposing military action in Iraq.
"I hope that that opposition will one day make him understand that he has made the greatest mistake of his life," Mandela said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/30/iraq/main538607.shtml
Mandela Slams Bush On Iraq. JOHANNESBURG, South Africa, Jan. 30, 2003 (CBS) A prominent new voice joined the international chorus of protest against U.S. preparations for war against Iraq on Thursday.
Former South African President Nelson Mandela delivered a fiery speech denouncing the United States and aiming harsh personal criticism at President Bush. .....
Mandela said he would support action against Iraq only if it is ordered by the U.N. He urged the people of the United States to join massive protests against Mr. Bush and called on world leaders, especially those with vetoes in the U.N. Security Council, to oppose him.
"What I am condemning is that one power, with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."
.....That brought an unusually subdued reaction from the White House. "Nelson Mandela was a great leader. He remains a great man," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer. "But on this the president and Nelson Mandela do not see eye to eye."
Fleischer pointed to a letter by eight European leaders reiterating their support of Mr. Bush. "The president expresses his gratitude to the many leaders of Europe who obviously feel differently" than Mandela, Fleischer said. "He understands there are going to be people who are more comfortable doing nothing about a growing menace that could turn into a holocaust."
While Mandela has repeatedly condemned U.S. behavior toward Iraq in recent months, his comments Thursday were far more critical and his attack on Mr. Bush far more personal than in the past. "Why is the United States behaving so arrogantly?" he asked. "All that (Mr. Bush) wants is Iraqi oil," he said.
He accused Mr. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair of undermining the United Nations and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who is from Ghana. "Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white," he said.
He said Mr. Bush was "trying to bring about carnage" and appealed to the American people to vote him out of office and demonstrate against his policies.
He also condemned Blair for his strong support of the United States. "He is the foreign minister of the United States. He is no longer prime minister of Britain," he said. That echoes a theme adopted by war opponents in Britain. Blair is to meet Mr. Bush for talks on Friday.
Mr. Bush hosted Mandela at the White House in November 2001, where Mandela expressed his sympathy for the Sept. 11 attacks and said he supported operations in Afghanistan. Last July, the president awarded Mandela the Presidential Medal of Freedom ”” the nation's highest civilian honor ”” dubbing him "perhaps the most revered statesman of our time."
http://antiwar.com/quotes.php
Force is all-conquering, but its victories are short-lived. - Abraham Lincoln
Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.~George Washington
If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.~George W. Bush
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Hicks trial 2 years away, lawyer says
A lawyer for Australian Guantanamo Bay inmate David Hicks believes it will be two years before his client is presented to a military commission. Adelaide lawyer David McLeod says news from the United States that a process is under way to bring his client to trial is window dressing. A US military prosecutor says a judge has received the charges against Hicks and after they are served on him, he should be presented to a military commission 30 days later.
But Mr McLeod expects the commission to be challenged, causing more delays. "David will get caught up in that process and we can't see a commission hearing starting within two years," he said. "The challenges to the veracity, legality, fairness of the process will occupy the civil courts in America one way or the other over the next couple of years."
Mr McLeod says the court procedure is still discredited. "Total window dressing as I say, it's simply saying that the lions are being let out in the arena - bring on the Christians and let's have a fair trial," he said.
Kremmen said:I'm sure you will. One can only hope that your MP understands the difference between "no" and "know" and values the opinions of one of his incredibly ignorant constituents appropriately.
Anyone who believes that "Hicks is a suspected terriorist" is sufficient grounds for 5 years in jail without trial is beyond hope. If someone suspects you're a terrorist, is it okay for us to throw you in jail for 5 years without any proper evidence? I'm guessing you'd object to that, but it would be a well-deserved response to your attitude.
May your children never suffer what you're willing to inflict on someone else's son.porkpie324 said:I'll certainly let my MP no my position, leave hicks where he is.
doctorj said:May your children never suffer what you're willing to inflict on someone else's son.
Garpal Gumnut said:Tell that to all the relatives who died in the Twin Towers.
Garpal Gumnut said:Let due process US style continue.
Its a hell of a lot fairer than having your head hacked off while being videotaped by an "Islamist Militia" so that your relatives can view it on youtube., or dying in a rain of gasoline sitting at your desk going about your everyday routine.
Garpal
wayneL said:Non sequitur. Hicks had nothing to do with 911
Now Garpal, you really must keep abreast of events. Atrocities committed by the Bush Cabal.... errr, "Coalition of the Willing" far and away outnumber atrocities committed by "insurgents". Rupert just doesn't tell you about that.
Be careful what you wish for....
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