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I think Ireland was violent because they don't like the British too much. That and it's Ireland with lots of Irish
I won't dispute that China has ongoing corruption, but to pin it on their lack of religion is a big call.
One thing that does stand out is that the least religious countries (Scandinavian for instance) also seem to have the highest ethical standards.
When it comes to the most religious countries it is hard to go beyond those in the Middle East that not only have few business scruples but commit human rights violations often on a par with countries like North Korea.
Outside the ME, two of the most corrupt countries (consistently topping the world list) are Thailand (predominantly Buddhist and regarded as extremely religious) and Indonesia (Muslim). Then we have Myanmar, another Buddhist country that has no qualms about allowing their Muslim minority to be slaughtered.
If you were to use Christianity as an argument, one thing that always struck me was that the countries that had the strongest adherence to, in this case, Catholicism, are often the most violent and corrupt within the "Christian" domain of countries. I'm referring to countries like Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, a few Latin American ones, Ireland and The Phillipines.
So the correlation of morals and scruples with religiosity is more likely to exist in the negative than the positive if the world as a whole is looked at, rather than a specific example of just one or two. It has being pointed out time and time again that countries that are becoming more secular are the ones exhibiting the higher moral and ethical standards. A good example is Ireland, which I listed above as historical having a high degree of violence. It is quickly becoming a good example of tolerance of human rights and non-violence. It was also listed recently as a country showing one of the highest declines in religiosity.
I think Ireland was violent because they don't like the British too much.
Great post, Ves, thanks.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=12&p=894597&viewfull=1#post894597
Agree, Rumpole, things we take for granted that are now here and established, like the Salvation Army etc.
It was Christian teachings, including the Red Cross, St John Ambulance, Royal Flying Doctor Service, and others.
We don't see them set up in the atheist countries.
VC, unless you have intentions of dismantling the rule of law, with no boundaries, no accountability, no responsibility, no rules, then you have religion pushed at you everyday.
What is right and wrong.
Morality, and codes of conduct.
So saying that you don't want it in public schools, is saying you don't want laws or boundaries, because that is where they come from.
Well said, trainspotter.
It has helped many people through difficult times, and even turned their lives around, for the better.
A good song by The Church too.
Love, hope, faith and charity - and of course, comfort for many, Tisme.
I don't care what people believe, I was just stating to VC, what this country was built on, and our Christian history.
As I have said, Science and Religion/God are both important in society.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27938&page=62
Great post, Ves, thanks.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=12&p=894597&viewfull=1#post894597
Agree, Rumpole, things we take for granted that are now here and established, like the Salvation Army etc.
It was Christian teachings, including the Red Cross, St John Ambulance, Royal Flying Doctor Service, and others.
We don't see them set up in the atheist countries.
VC, unless you have intentions of dismantling the rule of law, with no boundaries, no accountability, no responsibility, no rules, then you have religion pushed at you everyday.
What is right and wrong.
Morality, and codes of conduct.
So saying that you don't want it in public schools, is saying you don't want laws or boundaries, because that is where they come from.
Well said, trainspotter.
It has helped many people through difficult times, and even turned their lives around, for the better.
A good song by The Church too.
Love, hope, faith and charity - and of course, comfort for many, Tisme.
I don't care what people believe, I was just stating to VC, what this country was built on, and our Christian history.
As I have said, Science and Religion/God are both important in society.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27938&page=62
Technically, Australia is an Atheist country. It's not a Theocratic country.
Australia is not an atheist country it's a secular country, with a mixture of religions, atheism and agnostics.
If people say in census that they have "no religion", it doesn't necessarily mean they are atheists. They may believe in a God but they just don't recognise the claims of any religion to be His/Her/It's spokesmen.
True. But aren't they the same thing? Atheist is a term to describe the person while Secularism describe the same thing but for the country/state? Never mind. You know what I mean.
Sorry mate I don't know what you mean.
Atheism is an individual belief, secularism applies to the society, which is what you said but atheism and secularism are not the same.
Secularism is basically separation of church and state, it makes no comment on whether God does or does not exist, it is an administrative system not a belief system.
See, I was personifying a State. If the secular state is a person, and that person is then an Atheist. Since we're splitting hair, "Agnostic".
No, no, no. A secular State cannot have a belief, it's neither religious, agnostic or atheist, it has no opinion.
Individuals have beliefs about religion, the secular state does not.
I did said "True" to what you're saying. Was trying to wiggle out of what I said though
No, no, no. A secular State cannot have a belief, .
in the interests of muddying the water, lol, Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of belief.
So, if a secular state can not have a belief, then you can say it lacks a belief, and is therefore an atheist in the true sense that it is unconvinced of any of the claims, and lives as if none of them are true, and must justify its actions in non religious reasoning.
but secularity means a mixture of all opinions ;ie it's a group characteristic not an individual one.
If there was no God, VC, atheism wouldn't exist.
You have nothing to show for atheism, apart from destruction.
You want me to remind you of the atheist countries you created?
No, no, no. A secular State cannot have a belief, it's neither religious, agnostic or atheist, it has no opinion.
Individuals have beliefs about religion, the secular state does not.
Which is why until recently politicians took the oath on the Bible
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