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Bullmarket vs. tech/a (Re: CTO trade)

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tech/a said:
CTO bought this morning at 38c in the pullback at 11.10
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hi tech/a

hmmmmmmmm....just had a look at CTO course of sales on Commsec's protrader and there were no trades at all at 38c between 11:07 - 11:12.

There was one trade at 38.5c for 12000 shares at 11:10:42

btw...it's now ~4:11pm so it's hardly real time anyway.

good luck with them if you really did buy some

Attached is a text file with the CTO course of sales from Commsec's Protrader.
 

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Re: Short term discretionary trades---Real time examples

Crikey, there are plenty of trades at 38c at 11.17. This isn't a sipping contest. I don't think we really need to accuse each other of BS'ing.
 
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hi markrmau

no problem but don't get me wrong - I didn't make any accusations at all....maybe he did buy some, maybe he didn't...and I don't care if he did or didn't because it is of no consequence to me at all.

All I am saying is that the COS from commsec (as per attachment) doesn't support the price and time he claims he bought them at.....nothing more, nothing less

cheers

bullmarket
 
Re: Short term discretionary trades---Real time examples

No probs Markus.
My apologies should have known it would be questioned
and thats fine I have questioned many in my time.
I actually guessed the time---should have put approx.

It was 10.47 and the 30000 trade.Trade 126
When I get the Buy note through I'll post that up.
Will give me great pleasure in silencing the Bulldust.
Just love it!

I dont post every trade I do on the public sector,sure as its going well
I have posted if so if thats a sin/cheating whatever so be it.
Not all are profitable as has been seen in the last.
Only have 2 others (discretionary)
AIM 1c down from purchase a few days ago and
DLS even from purchase a few days ago.
 

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Re: Short term discretionary trades---Real time examples


Perhaps it was 11:10 SA time.... or an approximation. Ask me exactly what time I bought or sold something, and I wouldn't be able to answer without going through my statements.

I could say "about 11:10" and be as much as 15 minutes out. What's more I couldn't care less anyway. What does it matter... unless trying to catch someone out maliciously.

Geez Tech, you'll have get the channel seven news in to film it next time you make a trade!!!!


<<<<edit>>>> Tech I see you posted while I was typing... exactly as i suspected... cheers
 
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just calling it as I see wayneL

cheers

bullmarket
 
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bullmarket said:
just calling it as I see wayneL

cheers

bullmarket
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Ditto :
 
Re: Short term discretionary trades---Real time examples

no problem wayne

and I see no-one has posted anything that proves anything I actually posted (and not what people think I said) is wrong in anyway whatsover :

cheers

bullmarket
 
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thats 2 of your usual ones bullmarket

cmon-give me the 3rd

"we'll just have to agree to disagree then"

you know you want to!

 
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bullmarket said:
no problem wayne

and I see no-one has posted anything that proves anything I actually posted (and not what people think I said) is wrong in anyway whatsover :

cheers

bullmarket
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The thing is Bullmarket, tech's been around this board and others for a number of years and has never been anything but fairdinkum. We might disagree on some things but he has alwayshad integrity... that counts for something when there is generally such a lack of that commodity these days.
 
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Gotta laugh

no problem but don't get me wrong - I didn't make any accusations at all....maybe he did buy some, maybe he didn't...and I don't care if he did or didn't because it is of no consequence to me at all.
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So why then post it up in the first place.

Farnkly I dont blame the guy its pretty hard to take for some that the so called "mouths" actually can and do make a buck. Arent full of Nuts crackers and actually hope that their postings will help others in their persuit of financial freedom.

Just to annoy the be jeeses out of you perhaps I'll post the 15K trade a few weeks ago that made $9600,the 12K trade that pulled around $3,800 and the Couple of losses of Around $1k loss and a few(2) of around $350 loss.One around the $7.5k prof about 3 weeks ago---blah blah,Just name what you want posted and there they will be.
Apoologies accepted at anytime-----and it does matter to me because my intentions are nothing more than to help others out.

Thanks anyway Wayne

Perhaps a full trade log audited from my broker would be more appropriate for the last few months.
Then theres the actual trade log for the last 3.5 yrs on Reefcap.

But hey

no problem but don't get me wrong - I didn't make any accusations at all....maybe he did buy some, maybe he didn't...and I don't care if he did or didn't because it is of no consequence to me at all.
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Reckon your a retired gardener---specialising in cutting Tall Poppies.

Dont worry it could very easily die in the backside tommorow
 
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no problem wayne

all that you say may or may not be true but it's of no interest to me .....all I said was that the COS from Commsec does not support the time and price tech/a claims to have bought those shares....nothing more, nothing less

I would have thought that the simple solution to not being questioned is to get their facts straight before posting....if people can't handle being caught out then they shouldn't make claims....simple really

surely you're not suggesting that I or anyone else should just blindly believe everything they read in supposedly anonymous forums like this one, are you?.....I certainly don't blindly believe everything I read in chatrooms

cheers

bullmarket
 
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I would have thought that the simple solution to not being questioned is to get their facts straight before posting....if people can't handle being caught out then they shouldn't make claims....simple really
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My apologies should have been more accurate.
Just hope you question every other poster as you have me.
Just for consistency.

Will all be cleared up in a few days,when I have the contract note---infact I'll have it faxed tommorow,bring it home scan it and post it up.
Facts are right the time posted was sloppy---

Anyway the exercise is to follow the trade/anyones trade and see if we can learn something from it.
Now I usually like to enter trades like this from morning pullbacks.
I look for consolidation on the way up---you'll notice the small area at around 10am at 38/38.5.My scan at a bit after 10.15 showed CTO as a big mover at 40c.I rang and then got in line at 38c rest is history unless Bulldust wants the tape from my conversation with Keith--my broker.
 
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You're taking the piss now tech/a.

I think you might have actually made that trade today.
 
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no prob tech/a

If the contract notes you offered to post in here contain your name and address then that will be fine......I'll then download a copy of whatever you post and send it to people who are in a position to verify the authenticity and accuracy for me of whatever evidence you post

but I'm flattered that you think it so important that I believe you

cheers

bullmarket
 
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So you should be you have Publicly questioned my integrety and I will have you eat your words.


Tried to expose me as a liar,and fraud,under the guise of "Couldnt give a damn"---Well I do..I will send by private mail my Brokers phone number and I will give him authority to disclose that trade and relevent details to you.
Ill do the same with Wayne so he can also verify.
 
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no problem tech/a

I don't believe even you would be so foolish to authorise somebody to provide a total stranger your personal details over the phone especially when whoever you authorise will have no way whatsoever of identifying with 100% accuracy who he/she is giving your personal information to...

but then again maybe you would be that silly and so you're just making a fool out of yourself now with your suggestioin...

Next time, just make sure you get your facts straight before posting and don't give me or anyone else an opportunity to catch you out like I did ealier....simple really...

cheers

bullmarket
 
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Quote from Bullmarket...

"Next time, just make sure you get your facts straight before posting and don't give me or anyone else an opportunity to catch you out like I did ealier....simple really..."

Bullmarket

I have always thought that this was a friendly forum and that we all contributed to it with the intention of helping each other to become better traders.

We are definitely not here to try and catch each other out.

Some people contribute more than others (and over longer periods) but it goes without saying that each individual must make up their own mind as to how they will use the information submitted.

There is no place here to question other peoples honesty or integrity as it is assumed that each contributer is "fairdinkum".

If you or anyone does not believe the information in a submission then you will act accordingly to that information. But it is not in the friendly spirit of this forum to accuse someone of lying since it is very difficult for anyone to have all the facts in this type of communication system.

I think you owe Tech/a an apology for questioning his honesty and integrity irrespective of the fact that what you said is "how you see it".

Lets stop putting each other down and instead enjoy each others contributions.

Tech/a

I don't think you need to show proof of anything - this forum knows your "fairdinkum".


Cheers

Dutchie
 
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hi dutchie

I do not owe anybody an apology because I, like everyone else, am 100% entitled to post about anything that looks suss.

If you look back at my post you will see that I actually wished tech/a good luck with his trade if in fact he did by some shares....he may or may not have but that is irrelevent to me

All I said was that the course of sales from commsec do not support the time and price that tech/a claimed to have bought them at....nothing more, nothing less......and I, again like everyone else, am under no obligation at all to blindly believe anything that is said in chatrooms.

cheers

bullmarket
 
Re: Short term discretionary trades---Real time examples

Spot on Dutchie.
 
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