Why would you exercise the bought put when it is 40c OTM ?Also in a spread (such as a bull/bear spread), should you be exercised on the ITM component (ie. sold 49 CSL put, bought 48.5 CSL put, CSL underlying 48.90 going ex tommorrow - not that I would do such a thing) what choices do I have with my bought option. If I exercise my 48.5 CSL put would ACH bypass me and assign the writer of the 48.5? (therefore saving me all the broking fees on the underlying).
Being assigned is not necessarily a bad thing – depends on your position and how much the broker charges on the underlying share transactions – and this can vary enormously between brokers.rhmt01 said:I am new to options (however have been trading warrants for a while) and have read a couple of books, and in almost all of them they talk about how being exercised is a very bad thing and to avoid it like the plague (such as "The Secret of Writing Options" by Louise Bedford).
Yes, T+3 can be an issue depending on your broker and is the reason the the dividend becomes a liability if assigned on short calls the day before ex-div.I'm just wondering how this actually works, and wondering if the T+3 system comes into play.
Specifically:
If I were exercised on a written call position, couldn't I buy the stock straight away and pay the brokerage and difference?
or exercised on a written put position, couldn't I sell the stock straight away and pay the brokerage and difference?
Hello All,rhmt01 said:Hi
I am new to options (however have been trading warrants for a while) and have read a couple of books, and in almost all of them they talk about how being exercised is a very bad thing and to avoid it like the plague (such as "The Secret of Writing Options" by Louise Bedford).
I'm just wondering how this actually works, and wondering if the T+3 system comes into play.
Specifically:
If I were exercised on a written call position, couldn't I buy the stock straight away and pay the brokerage and difference?
or exercised on a written put position, couldn't I sell the stock straight away and pay the brokerage and difference?
I would very much appreciate someone who could walk me through the process of being exercised starting from the point where your broker rings you up regarding a ITM option saying that the ACH has picked your lucky number.
Thanks in advance
Magdoran said:Ok rhmt01, firstly, the correct term in Australian terminology is being “exercised”, assignment is the same thing, but the term is commonly used in the US markets.
ASTC FAIL FEE WAIVER REQUEST - ASSIGNMENT OF CALL OPTIONS TO UNCOVERED WRITERS
Due to the overnight batch processing of ACH operations, an exchange traded call
option writer is not notified of their assignment until T+1 even though the exercise notice is lodged by the taker (the owner of the option) on the previous trade date (when the subsequent “as
at” equities transaction becomes effective).
If the assigned call writer was uncovered, ie. did not already own the underlying
Financial product, a one day mis-match in the equities transaction settlement may
occur and ASTC fail fees may be incurred.
Given that Exercise notices can be lodged up until 7:00 pm and ACH is unable to
notify assigned option writers within market hours on that same day, ASTC, upon
application, may waive fail fees, which are levied as a result of an ensuing equity
transaction settlement failure.
rhmt01 said:I'm just trying to understand how to defensively handle assignment...
From my calculations, the cost of brokerage of the underlying (2 sides) is going to be the big issue especially for the likes of CSL and MBL.
Is it possible (such as 2 days before expiry) once assigned to run out and buy an in/at the money option and exercise that on the same day and avoid any stock transactions (and stock brokerage)?
rhmt01 said:I'm just trying to understand how to defensively handle assignment...
From my calculations, the cost of brokerage of the underlying (2 sides) is going to be the big issue especially for the likes of CSL and MBL.
Is it possible (such as 2 days before expiry) once assigned to run out and buy an in/at the money option and exercise that on the same day and avoid any stock transactions (and stock brokerage)?
rhmt01 said:OK thanks for that.
I will just need to calculate getting out of the bull call spread in my calculations as well.
Is there any particular day (numerically) before expiry do the MM start putting up the price of getting out of a spread?
rhmt01 said:Also, although one transaction does not cancel out the other, I guess they will be matched though in time? (that is, the shares from assigned call and your exercised call)
rhmt01 said:...that is, the shares from assigned call and your exercised call)
Hello Wayne,wayneL said:Mag,
This may seem to be a pedantic point on the issue of terminology, but has the potential to be an important one.
"Being exercised" be be a term in popular usage amongst retail traders, obviously promulgated by amateur tomes such as Secrets to Writing Options, but it is most definately not correct terminology; not even in the United States of Australia. Unfortunately is has become entrenched in the trading vernacular, but this does not make it correct.
When an option owner "exercises"' their option, the writer of the option is "assigned". This is the correct terminology as this document from the ASX clearly illustrates:
http://www.asx.com.au/investor/pdf/notices/2004/Clm13504.pdf
There is a very good reason for standardized terminology across all markets and that is to avoid the possibly disasterous consequences of confusion.
The taker (buyer) of the option exercizes.
The writer (seller) of the option is assigned.
Cheers
For in-the-money calls where the corresponding put still has some value, the rule used by most of the market is that if the value of the dividend is more than the value of the corresponding put plus interest, then the call should generally be exercised for the dividend.
Writers of call options who want to avoid assignment (being exercised against) may need to either buy back or roll that short call position to another strike in another expiry, being mindful again that the option they roll to is not also a candidate for early exercise.
Examples
National Australia Bank
Ex-Div 7th June 2004
Dividend 83 cents
Share Price $30.31 on last cum dividend date
1. June 2600 Call (deep-in-the-money)
• Corresponding put is worthless
• Interest = 6.4 cents (Strike Price $26.00 X Interest Rate 5.25%) / 365 days X 17 days till expiry
• 83 cents > 6.4 cents
Therefore the June 2600 call will generally be exercised
2. June 3000 Call (In-the-money)
• Corresponding put is 68 cents
• Interest = 7.3 cents
• 83 cents > 75.3
Therefore the June 3000 call will generally be exercised
3. June 3050 Call (In-the-money)
• Corresponding put is $1.09
• Interest = 7.5 cents
• 83 cents < $1.165
Therefore the June 3050 call will generally not be exercised because the dividend isn't large enough.
Further, when exercised the option writer looses the stock when exercised. Profit Loss Outcomes of the Buy Write Strategy at Expiry CBA stock price Stock change $31
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