skc
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Trade #5 - QBE/SUN. SUN has been amongst the strongest performer in financials of late although it broke support at $7.80 2 weeks ago. Today's 4.5% spike up against a flat XFJ just didn't seem right. QBE on the other hand appear to have found support above $12 at least for the time being. Profit target is ~3-4% net movement (basically for SUN to give back the spike).
I forgot to mention L BLD S JHX, I have a particular affection for this one!
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L ASL S BLY again!! - The machine continues!
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I hate this one with a passion. Always get my entry wrong and lose money on sustained divergence. Nothing wrong with the actual pair. It just doesn't like me
End of Day.
I was expecting weakness today but not this much from the starting bell -otherwise I would have sell to close on open some positions. I also expected some sort of flight to safety towards the REITs and infrastructure (i.e. airports) but they were sold down just the same.
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4 closed trades. 7 still open. Total P&L 1.21% for the week so not a bad start. Yes, 1.21% is nothing to write home about but average that for the next 50 weeks and you'd have done pretty well for the year.
Trade #9 - SYD/AIX. Pretty good pair to trade with both essentially monopolistic airport owners. The large change in ratio on the chart comes from SYD doing a large capital return late last year. Dividend season coming up and SYD is going ex-div for 11c (3.7%) while AIX has only been paying about 5c (2%). I don't know how AIX gets away with paying such low yields, considering that the Perth Airport is tied to the mining boom while their Athens airport (albeit small in their portfolio) is probably struggling big time. AIX can have shallow market depth sometimes and I sometimes put some low ball cover bids in there just to test my luck. Profit target ~4%.
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I previously thought, by "pairs trading", you were trading the divergence between like shares. You are actualy trading one of the pair long and hedging the trade with a short on the other. I guess this reduces the risk.
We follow the ups and downs in reit's and infrastructure but don't short (hedge). We tend to swing between them in respect of whichever one appears to be oversold (in comparison with the other like shares) at the time we are ready (cashed up) to re-enter. Other trades are pretty much sticking with the same share. At the point we sell, having reached our target exit, we lodge a low ball bid where we consider the share price will likely return after the spike.
With some, we have rolled the funds from the previous trade back in, picking up incrementaly more shares each time. Like your system our small margins of 1.5% - 3% per trade compound significantly over the fiscal period.
SKC how do you calculate the price move required on either pair for reversion to the mean (ie your profit target)?
Nice results !!! Keep posting. I learned a lot from you posts.
I like your strategy and I think you've picked the perfect sector to run it in. I do often wonder if I can pick up a few percent here and there without the corresponding opposite "hedge" - it would certainly be more economical when it comes to commission, margin used etc. But while it may be easy to spot one REIT being oversold, it's not necessary that it must go back up... others can come down.
Another key factor is where to put the stop (assuming your strategy does employ one) - with a small profit target one needs high win %, and with high win % you can either be very good at "predicting" where price goes, or you need a pretty wide stop. With small stops you will just get taken out of the trades a lot, hurting the win %. Pairs trading takes a lot of the negatives of tight stops out of the equation. It doesn't matter if the long position falls 5% (which may trigger a tight stop on a naked long trade), as long as the short has moved as well. So if I was to model your long-only strategy it will take me a lot more research to think about the effects of stops and risk management.
I was going to ask you whether you used stops but you have answered that now. We don't use stops.
When determining our entry we are influenced by:
previous trend support areas;
general market sentiment;
sector sentiment;
any news specific to the share; and
proximity timing for dividends.
It is not uncommon for the share price to dip below our entry price (getting the bottoms and tops right is never perfect) and in the right circumstance we will double up taking a further trade. Yes, reit's and infrastructure are the perfect sectors, in our opinion, for our style of trading.
Thank you for drawing our attention to AIX, we have traded map/syd for many years but for some reason overlooked AIX. It has now been added to our watch list.
Cheers.
Glad to still see this post alive (great work skc) Interestingly I have similar pairs open atm: CFX/WRT, AIO/QRN, CPA/WDC. SYD/AIX was also on my list but I turned away because I was afraid of more asset sale news out of AIX.
SEK/CRZ looks like a good signal (didn't have it on my list for some reason), see if I can get in first thing today...
Now just another 1.5 hour to go for England vs France!
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