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Rudd has said sorry and now moved to the next level: He's already set up a special joint commission to improve Aboriginal housing headed by himself and Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson. And he's outlined several other initiatives.Isn't that what Rudd and his hangers on are doing now ( appealing to the left )... but it's starting to blow up in their faces.... John Howard had it right... its not like the AB community get no help from the government...
If your so serious about human rights.. then you will boycott the China Olympics... right ?... Wonder what all the political prisoners in Chinese cells think of the Olympics....do you care...?
Isn't that what Rudd and his hangers on are doing now ( appealing to the left )... but it's starting to blow up in their faces.... John Howard had it right......
Some of the earlier posts have already pointed out that much of what was done in the name of 'helping' the aboriginal people was not 'help' but dictitorial management a-la toxic people. It's really basic english, understanding of the meaning of words and not a very difficult legal concept to grasp.its not like the AB community get no help from the government
Superfly, seriously you have to stop twisting the facts and involving unrelated issues a-la toxic people I mentioned in an earlier post.
Your not serious...maybe you are, if so then you would be beating the drum for the "sorry" crowd.aboriginals subjected to state sanctioned policies to remove aboriginal children from their parents, to essentially breed out the aboriginal race.
Many of us probably agree with your concerns re China but that issue is totally seperate, unrelated and irrelevant to the issue of saying sorry here.
Thats a response to an earlier question on human rights...Originally Posted by Whiskers
Superfly, seriously you have to stop twisting the facts and involving unrelated issues a-la toxic people I mentioned in an earlier post.
Your not serious...maybe you are, if so then you would be beating the drum for the "sorry" crowd.aboriginals subjected to state sanctioned policies to remove aboriginal children from their parents, to essentially breed out the aboriginal race.
But should there still be doubts as to why we must now act, let the parliament reflect for a moment on the following facts: that, between 1910 and 1970, between 10 and 30 per cent of indigenous children were forcibly taken from their mothers and fathers; that, as a result, up to 50,000 children were forcibly taken from their families; that this was the product of the deliberate, calculated policies of the state as reflected in the explicit powers given to them under statute; that this policy was taken to such extremes by some in administrative authority that the forced extractions of children of so-called mixed lineage were seen as part of a broader policy of dealing with the problem of the Aboriginal population.
One of the most notorious examples of this approach was from the Northern Territory Protector of Natives, who stated:
"Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes" - to quote the protector - "will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white."
The Western Australian Protector of Natives expressed not dissimilar views, expounding them at length in Canberra in 1937 at the first national conference on indigenous affairs that brought together the Commonwealth and state protectors of natives.
Separate yes... unrelated yes... irrelevant no... why, because you should never forget those people around the world, that have had Socialism forced upon them continue to live under an iron fist.Many of us probably agree with your concerns re China but that issue is totally seperate, unrelated and irrelevant to the issue of saying sorry here.
You question that it was state sanctioned!?
The following extract from Rudds apology speech identifies the laws and policies and or philosophies to extinquish the aboriginal race.
Irrevelant yes... because the solution to this problem is totally seperate, unrelated and irrelevant to the China political issue. If you let your emotions on China interfere with the issue at hand with the sorry issue, and visa-versa it detracts from your ability to focus to get a resolution and good result for either or both.
Prospector......I do beleive that Julia has just paid both of us a compliment.
Isn't she nice?
Thank you Julia. We'll continue exercising restraint by speaking politely and resisting the urge to rip out each other's throats!
Could've guessed compensation was on the cards - lawyers have been planning it up to the lead up of the day i bet!!
http://www.livenews.com.au/articles/2008/02/15/Stolen_Generations_compensation_claim
A Victorian member of the Stolen generations is planning to become the first to sue for compensation after this week's apology.
The views were in print, and from the highest levels:Your talking 1937... and Rudd's speech would back himself up...
Ok this guy said that.. but how many other views were there back then that haven't been mentioned. It's easy for both sides to pick the worst and play it up. There was an AB criket team who played in England.. not something that would happen if the government was trying to crush them...
Unfortunately people lacking the compassion to appreciate the importance of "sorry" also seem to lack the capacity understand the substantial documented evidence that describes the purpose of separation."Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white." Dr. Cecil Cook, NT Chief Protector 1927-39:
Yes, Julia has many fine traits, except I think in this case she does agree with you! Oh well, no-one is perfect:
I am sure there is one thing we both will agree on - that your concerns about the millions of dollars in compensation, never comes to fruition!
I'm very happy for compensation to be awarded if it is - as the government is presently suggesting - put into additional services such as addiction management, addressing of domestic violence and child sex abuse issues - rather than paid out to individuals which I am completely against.
One of the most notorious examples of this approach was from the Northern Territory Protector of Natives, who stated:
"Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes" - to quote the protector - "will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white."
The Western Australian Protector of Natives expressed not dissimilar views
Hey Prospector: re your first paragraph, could you point me to where I have actually endorsed all that Bunyip has said? I have several times said I'm behind the 'saying Sorry' issue. I've also suggested, although I don't actually know because I can't read the minds of the people who formulated the policy, and I was many years away from living here at the time, that the policy of removing children at the time was probably well intentioned.
This belief on my part might reflect nothing more than my persistent, if frequently invalidated, tendency to believe the best of most people.
Re your second paragraph: I'm very happy for compensation to be awarded if it is - as the government is presently suggesting - put into additional services such as addiction management, addressing of domestic violence and child sex abuse issues - rather than paid out to individuals which I am completely against.
A couple of pages ago I asked you how you would feel about instructors in building going into the communities to show indigenous people how to build their own homes, as distinct from teams of government builders just going there and whacking up lots of new houses. You haven't responded to this.
It seemed to me in line with your suggestion of showing people how to grow their own food rather than give them ready prepared food material. The people should be consulted on what kinds of homes they need.
One of my beliefs is that we value that which we have had a hand in creating more than that which is easily given and which will be replaced if necessary.
One of our members suggested aboriginal people do not have any sense of pride or achievement. I absolutely reject that.
That said, there are thousands of people, white, black and everything in between, who are homeless and living on our streets.
What are we doing to address housing for them? There are many mentally ill amongst them. Do they have less of a priority than aboriginal people?
And, before someone jumps on me for the above question, pointing out that it is irrelevant to the topic in hand, no it's not. We should be concerned to address the issues of all disadvantaged people, not just aboriginals.
For sure, Mr Rudd has garnered the aboriginal vote very well indeed. He is probably even reasonably sincere in his comments. But he does not have a long record of being impassioned about the plight of indigenous people.
So, before we all get too carried away about our great new Leader, let's just remember that he, Brendan Nelson, and all the others, are at heart politicians first and foremost.
I'm very happy for compensation to be awarded if it is - as the government is presently suggesting - put into additional services such as addiction management, addressing of domestic violence and child sex abuse issues - rather than paid out to individuals which I am completely against.
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