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US mortgage carnage

It's funny how the rules change almost daily when the music stops. Talk about creative accounting. But, the market loved it, and the shares go up. The Lemmings still can't see that the emperor hasn't any clothes on!

So what is 'negative fair value'?

 
It's funny how the rules change almost daily when the music stops. Talk about creative accounting. But, the market loved it, and the shares go up. The Lemmings still can't see that the emperor hasn't any clothes on!
You have to have lived in Southern California to understand this.

In SoCal, you must have a "story" about yourself. If you don't have one, make one up. If you do, embellish luxuriantly.

Everybody intrinsically knows that it's all BS, but they all trade off it anyway. The best story wins.
 
First time post so be gentle please
I am trying to make some sense out of the current market gains...
I have sold my property looking for an entry and expecting serious carnage yet I dont think we have seen it all.
Where is the restof this $1 trillion mortgage fiasco. From what I can gather we have only realised 1/5 of it.
Yet the market has risen over 10% since Mar 08.
Am I being impatient?
Is it around the corner?
I cant bloody see it!!!
I have looked at the DJIAA so much my eyes are going square and I still cant find it?
 
The real world (US housing bust) & the stock market are 2 different things . The stock market just hasn't 'priced it in' yet?
 
House prices are falling even faster than during the Great Depression




“A DESTABILISING contraction in nationwide house prices does not seem the most probable outcome...nominal house prices in the aggregate have rarely fallen and certainly not by very much.” Alan Greenspan's soothing, if rather verbose, words on America's housing market in 2005 rank high on history's list of infamous predictions. But to be fair, most American economists shared his view that it was highly unlikely that average nationwide home prices would drop. That was the sort of thing that happened only during a deep depression, like the 1930s.

Unfortunately, new figures this week reveal that house prices have already fallen by more over the past 12 months than in any year during the Great Depression. The S&P/Case-Shiller national index fell by 14.1% in the year to the first quarter. Admittedly, other property indices show smaller drops, but most economists now favour this measure. The index goes back only 20 years, but Robert Shiller, an economist at Yale University and co-inventor of the index, has compiled a version that stretches back more than a century. This shows that the latest fall in nominal prices is already much bigger than the 10.5% drop in 1932, at the worst point of the Depression.

And things are even worse than they look. In the deflationary 1930s, America's general price level was falling, so in real terms home prices declined much less than they did nominally. Today inflation is running at a brisk pace, so property prices have fallen by a staggering 18% in real terms over the past year. In nominal terms, the average home is now worth 16% less than at the peak in 2006, and the large overhang of unsold houses suggests that prices have further to fall. If so, this housing bust could well see a bigger cumulative fall in prices than the 26% real drop over the five years to 1933. Most people would call that a pretty destabilising contraction.

http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11453745
 
Some particularly ominous signs from the latest FDIC report. The chart below shows that despite a large boost to loan loss reserves (blue line) they are still not keeping pace with amount of non-current loans (green line) which results in a lower coverage ratio (red line). In fact the coverage raito has halved compared to three years ago now running below 100%.

From the report:


Far from out of the woods yet, me thinks.
 

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I am bemused by the rhetoric of the last few days. Where we are going now has been spelt out for more than 7 or 8 years now and started in the 70's when the USA became dependant on paper money.

Blame game at the moment and Bernanke talking tough, .........laughable, there is no value left in the bag. Not sure how soon, (but not far away, and watch any space) Wall Street will be one of the next deserts.

The financials, get your money out of the bank and into something you can either live on or exchange for a livelyhood. (plot of dirt to grow vegies with a water supply could be good)
 
What I see as the joke of all jokes with regards to the financial sector , is that no matter what they are saying or attempting to do , they are still extremely under capitalised to operate in the current conditions .

Just a minor mishap ......... that's been around for years and remains to be a stumbling block turned hurdle , soon to be a high jump , after that they'll need a pole to vault with ...............

The first thing I expect the Dems to foster in will be the capital gains tax , a quick punch to the ribs and a few jabs at traders wealth creation initiatives .
 
This is from Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-weiner4-2008jun04,0,3578069.story

And the world dit not learn anything from the oil crisis ind 1973
Does this mean USA is slowly giving control to other contries in other words, he who controls the money controls the people
The trouble is, we don't know. And that raises perhaps the most important question of all: What if the cure to our mortgage crisis is more deadly than the disease itself?
And will all this lead to a new world war? hope not.
 

It is what happenned to Germany in the 20's and it was the US who were then doing the lending. To keep business rolling.

China too, is hoarding depreciating US dollars to keep the exports going. Except now the US have almost stopped the imports, so who is going to support the US$ now.

The US lost control a long time ago, they just dont' want everyone to know.
 

http://www.minyanville.com/articles/fed-lacker-mortgage-continentla-cal-food/index/a/17445
 

"When the going gets tough, the tough get going!"

When the US economy was on it's knees after the Great Depression, WW2 provided the spark to rekindle it back to life...... As so many other "major world economies" have found over the millenia, a rally cry to WAR has often been the salvation of an administration that is losing control.

"IF" GWB declared war against Iran and invoked Emergency Powers, could he remain as President and Commander-In-Chief "until such time as the threat to America is neutralised"? The more volatile the tipping of the world economic scales, the more likely the "unlikely" will occur.... IMO


AJ
 

Yep, very interesting. Prior to WW2 Germany was on its knees and its debt was mostly to the US. Today the US is falling to its knees and a great deal of its debt is to China. So yep it may bring out the bad boy indeed.

As Sir Winston said, never, ever, ever, ever, ever give up; by george
 
No one will allow the obese giant to go hungry for long.
As much as some are enjoying it's discomfort, most need the monster fed.
Australia & many other industrialised countries adopted its unfortunate
monetary policies/practices.The pig is squealing & many can hear it.
 
Are we still on the same planet here? This is regarded as good news? Something about bottom callers..........?

Yeh, right, and 700k per month of newly unemployed are all lining up to buy new homes from the glut of 9 months backlog. Dream on.......woops, forgot you were an economist and that is part of your job description
 
Economic casualties pile into tent cities


conservative estimate?

it seems the king will get his wish of cheaper western labour....


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-05-04-new-homeless_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
 
Another minor fact. As most, if not all, the mortgages in the US are non recourse it could mean that those who have defaulted on their loans ie just walked away, will find it very hard to obtain house finance if/when things get back to 'normal' as their credit rating will have been tarnished. It would basically be up to the lender to decide if they deserve another chance to go into debt again. So, each month of new defaults, which hasn't peaked yet, put's more people on the bad credit list of future housing loan denial?
 
This one's gone under the radar, either that or it's another case of irrational ignorance....?

 
artificially holding up house prices while people loose jobs, incomes fall... mmm.. shock horror it leaves some people absolutely farked... living in tents... etc etc..
 
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