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US mortgage carnage

Actually 10a.m New York time. It baffles me why people listen to this semi-literate moron. He'll just be reading something off a sheet that he doesn't understand.

I think you might be misunderestimating him there Dhukka...
 
Didnt hear this line in the news but came across it in an article.




http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&sid=a1Kgs8G_ezH4&refer=australia

Hidden message if your in the US with a small bank, hit the withdraw button ?


This is much ado about nothing. If you watched the testimony, Bernanke was asked if he thought there could be some bank failures and he said yes, at the small end. How this could possibly come as a surprise to anyone paying attention boggles the mind.
 
How about whole city bankruptcies . Is this the start of a contagion to be replicated across middle class USA?

 
How about only a quarter through the carnage ?



http://money.cnn.com/data/premarket/index.html
 
Canadian BMO is reportedlyv taking losses due to margin calls of more than C$500 mln from two of its ABCP trusts. This may see BMO pull out of the restructuring efforts of the $C33 bln ABCP market, which means...
mmmmmmm
..............Kauri
 
More MBS, CDO downgrades on the way.



 
This is from Mish's site, he is discussing a mortgage investment fund listed 8 months ago, link is here

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/02/evidence-of-walking-away-in-wamu.html


<Let' do the math.

* The total pool size is $513,969,100.
* $476,069,000 was rated AAA.
* 92.6% of this cesspool was rated AAA.
* Yet 15% of the whole pool is in foreclosure or REO after a mere 8 months!

In addition, the data suggests that people are not even bothering to wait for delinquencies to hit 90 days. Instead they are handing over the keys right now.

Washington Mutual was the underwriter. If you bought a slice of this cesspool from WaMu, are you going to buy their next offering? One final question: Does anyone have any reason to trust any rating from Moody's, Fitch, and the S&P? >

More bad news for a while yet I am afraid to say.
 

Hi macca,

I read Mish's stuff just about everyday, he does some good research however he is drawing some conclusions here that are not necessarily substantiated by that data. Tanta of Calculated Risk points out why here. I warn you, it's a long and sometimes tedious article. Regardless of whether Wamu's stats are evidence of 'walking away' or not, they are not good news.
 
Speaking of triple A's .

I heard Ambac was trying to get the go ahead signal on one rating agency approval , instead of the usual three .

Defying logic or gravity ?

Chit now they're juggling too .
 
Geez, even the mainstream media is taking the piss out the bond insurers. Some pretty sarcastic comments in this piece.

 
Wait till the Dow sees in 11600's again , then they'll know the markets wobbling .

But hey there's no recession out there .........
 
US mortgage sector woes are adding to USD bearishness with Thornburg Mortgage earlier today reporting $270 mln in new margin calls, following $300 mln in margin calls last week.
 
The shots been put across the bow , boarding parties at the ready .....

The mellee begins .





JPMorgan, Bear Stearns, Ex-UBS Bankers Targeted in Muni Probe


By Martin Z. Braun and William Selway

March 3 (Bloomberg) -- The criminal investigation of U.S. municipal bond firms is spreading as current or former bankers at Bear Stearns Cos., UBS AG, JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Deutsche Bank AG disclosed they are targets of the probe.

Peter Ghavami, the former co-head of municipal derivatives at Zurich-based UBS, Europe's biggest bank by assets, is part of the Justice Department's investigation, employment records with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority show. Charlotte, North Carolina-based Wachovia Corp. and Piper Jaffray Cos. in Minneapolis disclosed last week that their employees were targeted.

U.S. prosecutors and the Securities and Exchange Commission spent more than a year searching for evidence of rigged bidding by banks that sell investments and interest-rate swaps to local governments. JPMorgan, in its annual report filed with the SEC Feb. 29, said the investigations focus on ``possible antitrust and securities violations,'' mostly between 2001 and 2005.

``It certainly indicates that the investigation is toward the end,'' John Markey, a former state and federal prosecutor, said of the disclosures. Markey is an attorney with Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky and Popeo PC in Boston.

The Justice Department sends letters notifying those under investigation that they are the targets before charges are filed. The probe is separate from the sudden jump in yields on auction-rate municipal bonds.

IRS Probes

The Justice Department investigation follows Internal Revenue Service audits into whether banks overcharged state and local governments for investment contracts and derivatives, much as they did with Treasury bonds during the ``yield burning'' scandal of the 1990s.

Lawyers in the municipal bond industry said the criminal probe is the biggest in the history of the almost 200-year-old market, where states, cities and towns have $2.6 trillion of debt outstanding. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has raided three brokers that advise local governments and ran the bidding as part of the probe, which may involve transactions as far back as 1992.

Interest-rate swaps are financial contracts used to guard against swings in borrowing costs or to lock in current interest rates for bond sales they might not make for years.

Investment Contracts

Investigators are also looking into bidding practices for guaranteed investment contracts, where governments place bond money until it is needed. IRS rules require the contracts be awarded by competitive bidding.

Ghavami, a former co-head of the municipal derivatives group at UBS who later became head of one of the bank's commodities divisions, was among the bankers who received letters saying they are targets of the investigation, Finra records show. Ghavami quit UBS in November and started at New York-based Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. as head of capital markets for Russia in January.

Bear Stearns's Stephen Salvadore and former JPMorgan banker James Hertz said they are targets, according to Finra records. Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s Shlomi Raz, who worked at JPMorgan until 2003, disclosed to Finra that he is being investigated, without saying whether he is a target. All of the firms are based in New York.

A voicemail left for Ghavami at his office in London wasn't immediately returned. Spokesmen at Bear Stearns, Goldman, JPMorgan and UBS declined to comment. Hertz was fired by JPMorgan in December, according to records with Finra.

`Grand Jury'

``Mr. Hertz has been advised that he is a target of a grand jury investigation regarding municipal securities business,'' his record states. A telephone call to Hertz wasn't immediately returned.

Goldman's Raz, who worked at JPMorgan until 2003, disclosed the investigation to Finra, without specifically saying whether he is a target. Bear Stearns's Salvadore received a letter notifying him that he is a target of an investigation ``concerning antitrust and other violations involving contracts related to municipal bonds,'' his record states.

``Mr. Salvadore responds that he has at all times acted lawfully and believes that he has not done anything that justifies issuance of the Department of Justice letter,'' his record states.

Patrick Marsh, the head of municipal structuring at Frankfurt-based Deutsche Bank, Germany's biggest bank, disclosed in November he was a target of the probe. Samuel Gruer, who works for Marsh at Deutsche Bank, also received a ``target letter'' from the Department of Justice in November, according to regulatory filings.

The Deutsche Bank bankers, in identical statements in their records, both said they are targets and ``deny any wrong doing in this investigation.''

A person familiar with the probe said prosecutors were focusing on alleged conduct by Marsh and Gruer at their former employers. Marsh, who joined Deutsche Bank in April 2005, formerly worked at Bear Stearns. Gruer was employed by JPMorgan until June 2006. Ted Meyer, a Deutsche Bank spokesman, declined to comment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=home&sid=apYN75r16Yzw
 

Click on the link for the full article. The MBA has only been keeping statistics since 1985 so who knows when things were this bad previously, probably not since the great depression. Also remember the peak of Alt-A resets are just getting underway this month so how's 1Q and 2Q08 going to look?


Home equity is the lowest since 1945 and is headed lower, HELOC's are basically non-existent and with the spectre of higher food and energy costs how is the US consumer expected to continue the consumption patterns of recent years? And following on, how does this not lead to a protracted recession?
 
Things not looking good for the US government's property subsidiaries, or lenders of last resort?


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={10EE2B9D-7A7A-4880-8DD0-6A84052B979A}
 
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