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US mortgage carnage

Might be a couple more to come yet??
Cheers
........Kauri
lingering talk of large losses at US financial institutions, including reports on BoA, Wachovia, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, look to be spurring selling.

Rumours are floating about that JP Morgan will write down another $3 billion or so.
 
They'll have netting across underwriters windows , they should be bars , but that's another story . $3B is chicken feed , compared to what's to come , when they find the next hidden treasure trove stashed in plastic CDO's , we haven't even found that box , under all the dust and camoflauge they've started to work their way back through .

The squawk they haven't started crowing yet , is that the last re-rating in October has just been blown out of the water .

How do we know that ?

The Central banks have just joined forces to bolster commercial bankers confidence . Not consumer confidence , not homeowner confidence , none of that , that would mean we mattered .

Does that mean banks think that banks are a bad credit risk ? Surely not ....

The Central banks must think so or the new relief the grief plan would never have been born . Save the banks ........ before the mobs come .

We're the mob , and ...........
we're their bread and butter for morning toast , now they're squeezing the orange juice out of us .

This is heart surgery without sedation and the doctors are telling us , " it won't hurt a bit " .

Of course we believe them ..... don't we .

Doctors and Surgeons bury their mistakes .
 
Morgan Stanley writes off another $5.7 billion in addition to the $3.7 billion they already announced in November. That's a nice $9.4 billion in writeoffs in total for the fourth quarter. However they got a $5 billion injection from China which rather than be taken as a sign of how bad things are will probably be cheered by Wall Street.
 

In response, the Morgan Stanley CEO Mr Mack has graciously refused his 2007 bonus allocation.

The obvious question I have is why was he offered a bonus in the first place?

And we wonder why there is a crisis in Wall Street...
 



ANd it seems we havnt even got to the Juicy bits yet !
 

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wow thats like a 10pc stake - If this was a game of monopoly Id think China was looking like winning ... Chinese Sovereign wealth funds might do some serious shopping hey ....
 

http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/19/real_estate/mortgage_applications.ap/index.htm


Ouchers, just Imagine what effect the loss of Duties etc must be having on Local Authorities addicted to "last Years" figures
 
I can't wait to get some good deals on Repo'd homes!

Who knows - with the main sub-prime re-set ****e really hitting the fan from Feb-March next year (regardless of Bush's rather impotent *freeze* bail-out attempt), maybe the Re-po 'dozers will start marching on some sub-prime US Real Estate ghost towns (ya'll know - tha ones with zillions of fer sale signs plastered on every "house" in tha block!). Them deserted houses gotta be near worthless - whos a'gonna want ter buy 'em if'n they can't RESELL 'em? May as well set up TENT cities for yon dis-affected families.... 'bout all theys can afford now ....

AJ
 

Ligitigation-mad aren't they in the US?

Surely it should be a case of "caveat emptor" ie. "Let the buyer beware". Buyers, ie. the mortgagees, must carry a responsibility to research products, ie. their loans, before they sign-up to them. According to Wikepedia "The only exception (would be) if the seller actively concealed latent defects".

The only winners in this process will be the lawyers.
 
Yes they are litigation mad !

I think these guys have pretty solid basis for launching a suit though, toxic waste dressed as aaa would have me a bit mad too! Irrational exhuberance on both sides in alot of this im sure
 
I can't help but wonder how they were ever labelled AAA, if they were a lower rating fair enough BUT AAA

There are a lot of places restricted by their internal laws to invest in bulletproof stuff which used to be AAA.

It would seem anything qualifies as that now, we will need a new rating for sovereign backed bonds now.

AAA is reserved for any thing that you can't sell, how about AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
It would appear we have more problems on the horizon, more news articles of concern, credit cards paying more than 20% interest with rises to come ............

<<SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Americans are falling behind on their credit card payments at an alarming rate, sending delinquencies and defaults surging by double-digit percentages in the last year and prompting warnings of worse to come.>>

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071223/credit_card_crunch.html

I guess that good idea actually sucks ........................

<<SOME of America's biggest banks have pulled the plug on a plan backed by the Treasury Department to rescue troubled structured investment vehicles that were levelled by the subprime mortgage crisis.

The decision came on Friday after it became clear that neither the banks nor the structured investment vehicles were willing to create a fund to bail out the SIVs. >>

http://business.smh.com.au/us-banks-reject-siv-rescue-fund/20071223-1ir2.html

More clandestine meetings required I guess
 
Woops, they've done it again - they just can't help themselves those Yanks!

From the story above, what could be another sub-prime like disaster waiting to happen -


And sub-prime was 'only' 20% of the mortgage market, this sector is 45%.

So they have 'securitized' credit card debt too. Will this one be 'contained' as well?


"You're looking at more and more distress -- consumers desperately trying to preserve their credit lines, but there's nowhere else to go," said Robert Manning, director of the Center for Consumer Financial Services at Rochester Institute of Technology. "It's like a game of dominoes."
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=REIF2EPDHBC1PQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/money/2007/12/23/cccrisis123.xml&page=3


No worries the Fed will gallop to the rescue eventually
 

Uncle,

This is what a lot of people don't get. This was never a sub-prime problem. Sub-prime was a symptom of a much larger disease called cheap and easy credit. Cheap credit for everything, housing, commercial real estate, auto loans, credit cards you name it. It's all been packaged up rated AAA and sold on to some sap who was too lazy to check what they were buying.

You still have Wall Street muppets running around saying the housing meltdown has not spilled over to main street. Housing is just the first place it showed up. Soon delinquencies across a number of asset classes will be showing significant rises. Commercial Real Estate has just started to follow residential, credit card delinquencies are rising as a strapped consumer no longer can turn to the ATM on their front lawn for help.

IMHO we're still at the beginning of a huge deflationary process that will necessitate the deflation of a broad range of assets classes and the tightening of credit.
 
There's a lot of funds that will have to reorganise there portfolios due to re-ratings . Many funds are bound to certain rated instruments and many have just found themselves in a technical breach of guidelines .

The fun has only just started .
 
It's not just the U.S either


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1eWSCy6oCM4&refer=home
 
on the subject of credit card debt .....


http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/23/news/economy/credit_card_crunch.ap/index.htm
 
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