wayneL
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sails said:Also, didn't realise Hoadley had a new version out with all those pretty lines until you posted your graphHave just downloaded mine and it looks pretty good - thanks!
Cheers,
Margaret.
omad said:I have some questions for you Wayne, sorry if they are a bit basic.
1. Any reason you use 30 day SV and not a different time frame?
30day SV is IVolatility.com's choice for it's charts. I like to plot various different lengths on my own charts.
2. How is the mean implied volatility calculated?
It is an average of front month IV's, actual IV ranges from ~50% to >100% on this stock in the front month, depending on the strike.
3. How would one graph volatility like this for Oz shares?
There are detailed instructions on plotting vol in Amibroker over on my forum, I will post here later.
4. How did you work out that a ratio of 2.5:1 works well?
As Mag said, the best risk reward for my view. This is where the strategy modeller is indipensable. You can put all sorts of variables in to see how they theoretically work out. By varying the ratio, or by other tweaks, you can skew these more to the upside or downside
5. What sort of adjustments might you have to do, if any?
These aren't normally adjusted at all because when the news comes out, there can be a huge gap with a crush in IV... no chance to morph. Thats why I construct these to be as risk free as possible.
6. Is this how you look for all your option trades, looking for volatility opportunities as opposed to your views on direction?
Not all. The right conditions only show up once in while. I also sell premium over indecies and take directional trades. However volatility is ALWAYS considered first and foremost.
Thanks for the great post.
Magdoran said:Nice trade Wayne,
I just love these “diagonalised” ratio positions –
x =(StDev(log(C/Ref(C,-1)),30) * sqrt(252))*100;
Plot(x,"30 day SV",colorRed,styleThick);
base = (StDev(log(C/Ref(C,-1)),100) * sqrt(252))*100;
acc = (StDev(log(C/Ref(C,-1)),10) * sqrt(252))*100;
x1 = acc - Ref(base,-1);
x2 = (x1* (2 / (10+1) ) ) + Ref(base,-1);
Plot(x2,"Expo SV",colorRed,styleThick);
hissho said:excellent stuff Wayne.
questions:
1) does the software use real-time data to give real-time volatility? do you have to stay up all night to watch it and catch an opportunity when it presents itself?isn't it time-inefficient?
2) is it true that you need both Amibroker and IVolatility.com for OZ options, and only need IVolatility for US options?
3) apart from some big household names like Coke, GM, Google, Yahoo, Apple etc i've got no idea about US market. What's the best starting point?
thanks a lot
hissho
hissho said:excellent stuff Wayne.
questions:
1) does the software use real-time data to give real-time volatility?
I use the real time prices and IV's fom my brokers platform and plot them into hoadley
do you have to stay up all night to watch it and catch an opportunity when it presents itself?
I am up trading futures and other option opportunities anyway
isn't it time-inefficient?
I spent about two hours finding, analysing and placing this trade. I think the time was well spent.
2) is it true that you need both Amibroker and IVolatility.com for OZ options, and only need IVolatility for US options?
There are various combinations possible. Ivolatility IV is available free from CBOE for US options. There are various solutions available for oz...I'm probably not the best person to answer that as I don't trade OZ
3) apart from some big household names like Coke, GM, Google, Yahoo, Apple etc i've got no idea about US market. What's the best starting point?
You won't find these particular opportunities on the big names. But there are still volatility opportunities, even on the big stocks. You can get a complete list of optionable stocks from CBOE.com
thanks a lot
hissho
flyhigher said:sorry for dummie questions from newbies:
1. Based on my limited understanding, you've short short-term options with high IV and long Long term Options with low IV. Are you expecting that IV will collapse in Short term and increase in the long term? are you also expecting
stock will move up in the medium term as well?
What I am doing is collecting very high short term premium and hedging my delta/gamma risk with lower volaltility, long term options.
In this type of trade, we must presume to back month volatilities will reduce as well. So it is important that the back month vols aren't too far away from normal values. In this trade, the back month at 31% is a pearler, they don't get much cheaper for this stock.
If the back months IV increased, it would be an absolute (though unexpected ) bonus.
I will re evaluate the trade at august expiry. The initial goal, is to exit the Jan options at that time, however if more opportunity exists by leaving the jan expiry on and creating a new spread, then I will.
2. Are premiums collected enough to cover the risk if stock stay 42-45 at the end of August?
Their is some risk of loss IF the back month IV collapses under 20% at around the $46 mark. Obviously, my view is that it won't go too much lower than it is currently.
thanks for your excellent example and sharing the knowledge.
cheers
sails said:Hi Wayne,
I had a good look at the trade over the weekend and also came up with $46 as being the worst level for August expiration. I only took IV down to 25% and found about $5,000 loss at this level.
Assuming 19th August expiration and FRX closing at $46 with 25% IV, the Jan07 $50 calls would be worth about $1.86 and the $40 Aug calls would cost $6.00 to close:
$60,000 to close Aug $46 calls
$46,500 value remaining in Jan07 $50 calls
= $13,500
Less $8,570 Initial credit
= $4930 loss
Have I made a mistake somewhere - perhaps wrong quantities or other imput into Hoadley? Probably something obvious
Just like to know where the risk is hiding
Cheers,
Margaret
...and I thought I had miscalculated somewherewayneL said:Just an update on this trade... but first:
Margaret was correct here in pointing out that there was more vega risk than I had calculated. I had one incorrect input into the software which messed up the if/then scenario.
NOTHING gets past Margaret
I could change the structure of this trade to accomodate this risk, however the reason I put this trade on in the first place is that my volatility projection for the back month is for no change. This stocks options don't get much cheaper as I pointed out. So I will leave it as it is.
So this from the blog............
Though I’ve only had this trade on a few days, there’s been a nice little change in IV’s in my favour. The IV on the short front month $40 Aug calls has dropped 7 points down to 58% whilst the long back month $50 Jan calls have maintainted their IV level.
The stock has moved down a bit and I am getting a little bit of a helping hand from gamma. I could close this out now for a respectable profit… but I won’t yet. The only risk in this trade is vega risk on the back month at around the $45-$47 mark on the underlying, but I’m not worried about any IV dump there.
This is just an update to show how volatility can be used in trading… and this is pretty much a pure volatility play.
Cheers
Hello Margaret,sails said:...and I thought I had miscalculated somewhere
Don't usually dissect trades so thoroughly, but have been interested for a while in ratioed diagonals and so pulled it apart to see how it might work out.
Do like the Hoadley update - especially the new feature where IV can be increased or decreased on the new "Time and Volatility Modelling" page - great for calendars.
Have back tested diagonals (with and without ratios) on the Aussie market but just can't get them to look right - usually too much risk. But then we don't get a lot of IV skew between months either. Magdoran, if you have time, would still be interested in looking at some past examples?
Agree Wayne, that it is still a high probability trade with only a small area of risk (and unlikely) near August expiration. Good to hear it is moving favourably for you.
Cheers,
Margaret.
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