Guamites would be feeling very unsafe.
Still possible to de-escalate tensions. Stop firing missiles and we'll remove our military presence. That sort of deal.
well no war no army lol who gives a rats we need another war, too many people on this planet.
Guamites would be feeling very unsafe.
Still possible to de-escalate tensions. Stop firing missiles and we'll remove our military presence. That sort of deal.
Where are we now with North Korea and how did we get there ?
I thought this analysis had merit.
Trump has taken us to the brink of nuclear war. Can he be stopped?
Jonathan Freedland
In previous nuclear standoffs, Trump’s predecessors knew when to hold back from further antagonising the other side. But now there is no such certainty
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Wednesday 9 August 2017 21.39 AEST Last modified on Thursday 10 August 2017 02.47 AEST
This was the moment many Americans, along with the rest of the world, feared. This – precisely this – was what alarmed us most about the prospect of Donald Trump becoming president of the United States. Not that he would hire useless people or that he would tweet all day or use high office to enrich himself and his family or that he’d be cruel, bigoted and divisive – though those were all concerns. No, the chief anxiety provoked by the notion of Trump in the White House was this: that he was sufficiently reckless, impulsive and stupid to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war.
Of course, cooler heads might soon prevail. China might find the diplomatic back-channel that persuades North Korea to step back from the current clash with Washington. The Pyongyang regime might calculate for itself that, despite its latest threat to attack the US airbase in the Pacific island of Guam, further escalation risks its own survival. Or the generals that now flank Trump – John Kelly as chief of staff, Jim Mattis as defense secretary – might succeed in talking their boss down from the ledge.
But make no mistake. Trump’s remarks on Tuesday have pushed the US to the precipice of nuclear confrontation with North Korea. We have to hope that both parties will step back, but be under no illusion that the brink is where we stand. And Trump put us there.
The form of words the president used made the critical difference. Threatening Kim Jong-un with “fire and fury” was bellicose enough. But adding the words “the likes of which this world has never seen before” left no doubt that he was talking about a nuclear strike against North Korea.
It’s worth pausing to consider the obvious consequences of such an action. Seventy five million people live on the Korean peninsula. There are also 30,000 US servicemen and women stationed there. How many would die if Trump made good on his threat? And that is to reckon without further retaliation and escalation, as Russia or China unleashed their own nuclear arsenals. This is why all previous US presidents have used only the most sober language when speaking of North Korea. They have understood the human stakes. They have sought to reduce tension, not ratchet it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/09/trump-brink-nuclear-war-stop
And just yesterday, the Yellow Emperor threaten Venezuela with a "military option" unless Venezuela bring democracy back to its people.
To anyone watching any independent news sources or read the most basics of history on the country's coup attempt on then-president Chavez, the idea that Trump or the US want democracy or civil order in Venezuela is just a joke.
Reminds me of an old Chomsky lecture he gave some 20 years ago... He actually predict that Venezuela will be toppled and bring into line "in the near future". Why? It has the world's largest oil reserves.
Freaking psychos. Literally playing with the world like it's some toy of theirs.
Regarding the NK / US confrontation:
NK will likely hold its promise and launch multiple missles towards Guam.
If we start seeing US military families in SK and Japan being told to leave, a naval buildup off the coast of the Korean Peninsula, or the North mobilising ground forces along the SK border those would be actions that signify a ratcheting up beyond trash-talking each other. And I think we'd have to raise our level of concern.
The problem with all this talk is things can easily be misinterpreted.
You probably missed out on the Social Studies we had to endure as kids, which included things like the Monroe Doctrine, which has shaped foreign policy to this day. So some light reading I came across:
http://latinamericanhistory.oxfordr...99366439.001.0001/acrefore-9780199366439-e-41
Great article. Only up to the Monroe Doctrine bit.
So there's already the Monroe Doctrine before Monroe? Man, all these time I really didn't think much about people saying that the Monroe Doctrine was simply to keep other "great" powers out of the Western Hemisphere. Which does kind of make sense.
They never follow with the natural consequences of keeping out peer competitors, leaving weak and defenceless nations to fend for themselves: They get to become Banana republics, now serving both bananas and minerals for a complete diet.
So maybe a touch of bitterness from the U.S. destruction during that era which explains fatboy's discontent with the U.S.?The devastation in North Korea in the 1940s and 1950s made MacArthur threw up. Flattened 18 of its 22 provinces. Wow.
So maybe a touch of bitterness from the U.S. destruction during that era which explains fatboy's discontent with the U.S.?
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