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The Price Of Diesel

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Australia's consumption of imported fuel
Posted 12th-April-2008 at 11:52 AM by juiceman
What’s going on with the price of diesel fuel, as compared with ulp etc.
Diesel used to be 10% cheaper than petrol, now it’s 20% dearer.
Manufactures now produce very exiting and fuel efficient, small and large vehicles that consume by volume 30 to 40% less fuel.
I’m told that it’s cleaner, or will be soon in Aust, and better for the environment.
We have had many inquiry’s into price gouging by fuel suppliers etc, but no mention of diesel prices.
Why?
Could it be that the Aust Government has become to used to collecting taxes, based on the volume of fuel consumed.
 

I think 50% of the reason is that government is quite happy about putting their hand out- I would too
it is very un-fair- I could only imagine the truckies and farmers-

Nick--
 


The resources boom is the problem,

Diesel is a by-product of upl production,.... However it's price is still determined by supply and demand.

In a country like Australia we are so spread out that large amounts of Diesel are used up by our transport indusrty,.... Add to that the mining boom with all the diesel feed equipment, road trains and ships refueling before taking loads of our resourses accross the globe.

In countries in europe diesel is cheaper than Ulp becaue there is a large amount of surplus diesel that remains from the production of ulp how ever in australiawe burn all the diesel we can get our hands on so there is no surplus of diesel so the price remains higher.
 
I was curious about the price differential a while ago too, especially since diesel is lower down the fractionation sequence than petrol/gasoline so it should be cheaper to produce.

It turns out that like for all other commodities it comes down to supply and demand. Demand for diesel has risen in recent years, Europe has over 50% diesel vehicles and the proportions in China and India are also increasing.
 
I was curious about the price differential a while ago too, especially since diesel is lower down the fractionation sequence than petrol/gasoline so it should be cheaper to produce.

supply and demand determines the price.

In a market economy cost of production means nothing when it comes to selling price.

For example some Arab countries can produce oil for $1 a barrel but will they sell it for $5 a barrel making a healhy 500% mark up,... No, they will sell it at market rate of $100 a barrel,...

Same goes for a farmer in a drought where his high production costs of the small amount of wheat he has produced means he must sell at market rate and make a loss,... will people come to this poor farmer and pay more to cover his higher costs,.. No, we will buy it at market rate,... no more, no less
 
Could it be that the Aust Government has become to used to collecting taxes, based on the volume of fuel consumed.


Im thinking the Gov in starting to crap their perverbial pants at what effect the unfolding potential global recession is going to have on the federal Budget.

I dont think they can afford to collect any less taxes at this rate. Just imagine if paycuts in the Public sector where needed ?
 
I think 50% of the reason is that government is quite happy about putting their hand out- I would too
it is very un-fair- I could only imagine the truckies and farmers-

Nick--

i THINK some farmers at least get diesel rebates so pay way less than those with diesel cars/trucks.
 
i THINK some farmers at least get diesel rebates so pay way less than those with diesel cars/trucks.

Farmers get back the diesel tax rebate, as do miners and fishermen. The tax goes to government road funding, so as farmers, miners and fishermen don't use the roads then that is fair. If they didn't get the tax back, they would be subsidising everyone else.

And it's not a hell of a lot. Would just about make diesel a bit cheaper than petrol now the way it's priced, that's all.
 
Supply and demand as others have said.

Don't forget it's not just use in vehicles, farm machinery etc. A lot of Northern Hemisphere heating uses it. And it's being used to some extent as a substitute for natural gas in gas turbine power stations where that has become too limited. And also use for power generation in countries generally short on power for whatever reason - liquid fuelled gas turbines being by far the quickest (though horrendously expensive) generation to build.
 
Its all going to end in tears im sure.

Rising Energy prices leads to skyrocketing food prices.

Food riots have already started in many places, Wars are next logical step, IMF recently warned of such actually
 
When are people going to realise that government rebates = inflation OR more simply subsidy = demand. Get over it, don't vote for a government that offers child bonuses etc, criticise rebates where simple tax regiemes would have done. Diesel is expensive but in relative terms it now has parity with petrol as far as demand goes, I'm sure the oil companies are happy...
 
Rudd's out there pushing free trade agreements when we have internal measures to prop up demand for all sorts of things including diesel. I'm just going to start a new thread because I'm about to go off topic.
 

Have a look here Juiceman, prehaps the Diesel subsidy rules changing in 2006 may have contributed. As more vehicles became eligible for the 8% subsidy, and, the Subsidy is paid directly to fuel retailers (including your local petrol stations), and, the Subsidy is also paid to people who purchase fuel in bulk from distributors at the unsubsidised rate, I suspect the only way the distributors can ensure growth, and maintain margins would be to keep bulk prices high, and allow the growth of the number of vehicles in this catorgory to blossom to increase margins. Also, the natural attrition of petrol vehicles, along with the explosive growth of diesel 4WD vehicles, and the mining boom, may also be a factor. Using your figures, bump up prices by 30%, then give them back 8.354 cents per litre, seems good business to me if you are at the right end of the fuel chain.

http://www.osr.qld.gov.au/fuel/index.shtml
 
There is a bit of a worldwide shortage of diesel, by all accounts. Something like 1 million Bbl came from Russia, and this may stop.

Tankers, trains and trucks all run on diesel. The fuel is also used across industries including farming, manufacturing, metals and mining.
diesel at New York harbor is now trading around $5 per gallon, while jet fuel prices at the harbor, which usually mirrors diesel prices, are around $6.72. That equates to roughly $282 per barrel.
US prices:

 
And it will continue to get more expensive! So feel free to buy a tanker if you have the money for it and a place to store it.
 
More on the continuing energy crunch,... annotated cut n paste from J Pain's weekly report:

.... [W]e face a global food and energy crisis.
This, as I hope you know, began well before the war in Ukraine.
Clearly, however, the Russian invasion of Ukraine served to dramatically amplify and accelerate the global food and energy crisis.

So, let’s stop pretending. It’s time to face the facts.

The fact is that the world is not running out of crude oil.

The problem, however, is that you can’t put a barrel of crude oil in your tractor, combine harvester, excavator, truck, train, plane, barge or ship, to mention just a few.

To state the absolute bleeding obvious crude oil needs to be refined into the various ‘products’ such as diesel, aviation fuel or gasoline.

It is in this regard that I found the recent Bloomberg interview with Chevron CEO, Mike Wirth, fascinating.


When asked if he, Mike Wirth, had, had conversations with the U.S government about these issues, he replied.

Quick footnote: I’m pretty sure he said the words, ‘over index’ as I replayed that bit many times. Anyway, you know what he means.

An honest, balanced and pragmatic conversation!!

In this day and age!

The fact is that today diesel is the lifeblood of the global economy. This is an indisputable fact…even for you work from home Zoomers … every online shopping click you make sets off a chain reaction that radiates around the world and in that chain there will be diesel!


and further in...

Joe Biden is going to Saudi Arabia in late June. The meeting with Saudi Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), is going to be interesting to say the least, given everything Biden has previously said about him.

Incidentally, this meeting has required a lot of work by Brett McGurk who is National Security Adviser for the Middle East.

What will the Saudis get in return?

A revealing article in [a recent] Financial Times: ‘Biden forced into Saudi thaw amid rising oil prices’, tells us all we need to know.

Helima Croft, global head of commodity strategies at RBC Capital Markets and a former CIA analyst, had this to say:

The Saudis are looking for more defensive equipment, including Patriot anti-missile systems, new security guarantees and assistance on a civilian nuclear programme.

 
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