The Business of Vegan

Ann · 6 May 2019

qldfrog said:
Ann, we are slowly moving away from that thread's aim..

I guessed this would happen, that is why I made the decision to put it into Chat initially in case it became too stupid with the troobleevrs smashing at everyone with their protest banners. However as I am not being negative about Vegan junk food (once they read what I say very slowly) it is very hard for them to heap disdain onto the thread as it is not fighting against their cause.
As they are on the 'cutting' edge (so to speak!) of this stuff, they will be able to give us valuable information about the frankenfoods they are eating. This will be invaluable information in the long run for what this thread's aim is meant to be. We need these peoples' contributions.
Patience young grasshopper!

jbocker said:
Back to investing is there anything covering this on, on the ASX?

Not that I have found yet but I need to do a lot more research. I think they will come fairly quickly is my hope, speaking as a trader.

Value Collector said:
The crazy thing to realize is that she thought the flavor was bad simply because she believed it was soy, even though it was her normal milk.
It shows even if the soy had tasted exactly like her normal milk she would have rejected it, it never would have even had a chance because her mind would not have given it a fair shot.

In other words she doesn't trust you. That is a sad place to be for a mother.

StockyGuy said:
Sanitarium has this virtually locked down - and they are tax exempt to boot!

Yeah, what a great lurk! Their ethics may not allow them to add the kind of enzymes and flavour masks and enhancers that other companies will be prepared to use that will be required to make the stuff palatable. First and foremost they are trying to look after the health of their flock.

StockyGuy · 6 May 2019

This is a funny thread, speaking as a vegan. I doubt there'd be quick money in this area.

Surprisingly, many things are "accidentally" vegan, but they cant label as vegan because like gluten free it must mean zero chance of contamination, which is hard in a non-dedicated factory. Point being there's plenty of options in the supermarket.

If you're in it purely for the money it's a tiny segment of the population to cater to. Maybe better to create something marketed for everyone but just leave out non-vegan stuff so you can put the little logo on the side, and thus attract a few vegans.

Otherwise things like restaurants you're probably still limited to trendy areas of inner west Sydney and equivalent in Melbourne.

If a serious mob doing IPO for lab grown meat ever decides to list might be worth a look.

Ann · 6 May 2019

StockyGuy said:
This is a funny thread, speaking as a vegan. I doubt there'd be quick money in this area.

Twitter and Bill Gates have just invested a motser in Beyond Meat and that had a massive start on the stock exchange over the last couple of days.

StockyGuy said:
If you're in it purely for the money it's a tiny segment of the population to cater to. Maybe better to create something marketed for everyone but just leave out non-vegan stuff so you can put the little logo on the side, and thus attract a few vegans.

Tiny short term, massive longer term. Veganism is going to be bigger than organic and gluten free combined. Fat free high sugar junk won't hold a candle to the new onslaught of vegan focused foods.

StockyGuy said:
If a serious mob doing IPO for lab grown meat ever decides to list might be worth a look.

I can't see the majority of vegans ever eating lab meat and I could only imagine the poorest of the poor would ever touch it if it was cheap enough but who knows with enough flavour maskers and enhancers, a bit of umami flavour chucked in and natural colours and flavours people will probably eat anything. But it is certainly something to watch out for. I am sure there will be a brave new world of 'food' coming to challenge our immune systems in the near future.

StockyGuy · 6 May 2019

Ann said:
Twitter and Bill Gates have just invested a motser in Beyond Meat and that had a massive start on the stock exchange over the last couple of days.

Tiny short term, massive longer term. Veganism is going to be bigger than organic and gluten free combined. Fat free high sugar junk won't hold a candle to the new onslaught of vegan focused foods.

I can't see the majority of vegans ever eating lab meat and I could only imagine the poorest of the poor would ever touch it if it was cheap enough but who knows with enough flavour maskers and enhancers, a bit of umami flavour chucked in and natural colours and flavours people will probably eat anything. But it is certainly something to watch out for. I am sure there will be a brave new world of 'food' coming to challenge our immune systems in the near future.

Oh good news re Beyond Meat. I hope you're right; the LOOONG term depends on many things, civilisationally speaking.

Yes, many (most?) vegans would not go for lab meat. I do not like meat taste nor smell.

The lab grown meat thing is a Venn diagram overlap - it's more for those who insist that meat is required for health but still regret the animal suffering. I'm assuming it was at a stage where it is a decent match, tastewise, for normal meat. Those meat eaters who enjoy a sense of the food chain process of using lesser organisms for food, or have religious requirements for a certain type of slaughter, would not be interested in lab meat.

Ann · 7 May 2019

StockyGuy said:
Oh good news re Beyond Meat. I hope you're right; the LOOONG term depends on many things, civilisationally speaking.

Climate Change and veganism is now linked, lockstep. All the young ones have been successfully propagandized regarding climate change then into thinking they will save the world by becoming vegan. (Farting cows emit carbon, ergo animals are destroying the planet. We need to do away with them and eat plants). Sorry that sounds a bit extreme but close enough to why there will be a massive and explosive increase in veganism. As long as the stuff they eat still tastes 'nice' they will eat it. Look at the kids in that previous video with Jamie Oliver. Tastes good, smells good, happy to eat ****!

StockyGuy said:
Yes, many (most?) vegans would not go for lab meat. I do not like meat taste nor smell.

For years I couldn't go into a butcher shop because of the smell, through necessity of having to shop myself I got over it. But I hear what you are saying. Anything with too strong a meat flavour I still don't like. Once I found out what white meat veal was I never, ever ate it again but I also never really liked its flavour either.

StockyGuy said:
The lab grown meat thing is a Venn diagram overlap - it's more for those who insist that meat is required for health but still regret the animal suffering. I'm assuming it was at a stage where it is a decent match, tastewise, for normal meat. Those meat eaters who enjoy a sense of the food chain process of using lesser organisms for food, or have religious requirements for a certain type of slaughter, would not be interested in lab meat.

I think we should look for more humane ways of 'harvesting' animals. A grass fed, pasture reared animal has a great life, any methane it farts out would be well compensated for by the carbon sinks of grassed fields and tree groves and the soil nutrition they deposit in their manure will enhance the planet. Put a bit of manure on a vege garden and watch it explode with life!

Ann · 7 May 2019

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Tyson Readies Alternative-Meat Debut After Exiting Beyond

By the end of the year, Tyson Foods Inc.’s new alternative-meat product could already be a major player in the U.S., perhaps giving the likes of the Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger a run for their money.

Tyson is preparing to introduce meatless protein products on a limited basis around the middle of the year and on a much larger scale soon after that, Chief Executive Officer Noel White told analysts on an earnings call Monday. More...

Value Collector · 7 May 2019

aus_trader said:
I am no vegetarian or vegan or anything but I am actually interested in purchasing this Cheese for use in certain dishes/sandwiches. Where can you buy it ?

Coles and woolies stock it.

Value Collector · 7 May 2019

Ann said:
....and a warmer atmosphere. Although we may just need food growth factories with regulated temp and co2! How did they make Soylent Green again? Out of soy and lentils wasn't it?

Veggie Burger Mania Hits Corporate America After Beyond Meat IPO

As hot corporate trends go, crypto and pot are so yesterday. Now, the rush is to get in on anything that smacks of vegetarian meat products.

OK, well, maybe the frenzy isn’t quite as intense as those have been, but a few days after Beyond Meat Inc.’s stock price was frantically bid up by investors in its trading debut, food companies are rushing to get their veggie burgers to market.

Tyson Foods Inc. on Monday confirmed it will introduce a meatless protein product in coming months. Tyson, to underscore the announcement, is the biggest meat processor in the U.S. McDonald’s Corp. just began selling a veggie burger in Germany, Burger King said last week that its Impossible Whopper would go nationwide this year. In July, Whole Foods will start selling a burger made by Lightlife, a competitor to Beyond Meat. Bloomberg Intelligence predicts the Beyond Meat success will push companies like Kellogg Co., Conagra Brands Inc. and Kraft Heinz Co. to spend more on plant innovation. More...

It’s interesting Tyson foods is moving into plant based in such a big way.

Tyson foods was the main company I was researching that turned me off animal agriculture as an investment, and contributed to me becoming a vegan.

Value Collector · 7 May 2019

StockyGuy said:
Oh good news re Beyond Meat. I hope you're right; the LOOONG term depends on many things, civilisationally speaking.

Yes, many (most?) vegans would not go for lab meat. I do not like meat taste nor smell.

The lab grown meat thing is a Venn diagram overlap - it's more for those who insist that meat is required for health but still regret the animal suffering. I'm assuming it was at a stage where it is a decent match, tastewise, for normal meat. Those meat eaters who enjoy a sense of the food chain process of using lesser organisms for food, or have religious requirements for a certain type of slaughter, would not be interested in lab meat.

When you think about it, meat grown in the sterile confines of a clean lab should be a lot more appetizing that meat torn from an animal that lived in its own poo and died screaming for its life in a stinky blood filled horror show of a slaughter house,

It also makes sense that growing just the parts of the animals we want to eat is where we should be heading.

As for plant based meats, all meats are derived from plants, we just put them through an animal, all the building blocks of protein etc come from plants.

aus_trader · 8 May 2019

What about fish and seafood ? Are we moving towards lab growing them too !

I'd rather put a shrimp on the barbie. Oops is that Aussie slang allowed ? Let's re-phrase it: how about a prawn on the BBQ ?

Value Collector · 8 May 2019

aus_trader said:
What about fish and seafood ? Are we moving towards lab growing them too !

I'd rather put a shrimp on the barbie. Oops is that Aussie slang allowed ? Let's re-phrase it: how about a prawn on the BBQ ?

Coles is selling a plant based tuna, the brand is Loma, it’s about $2.50 per can.

I have had a few good plant based prawn alternatives, but I am unsure if anyone is actively trying to grow prawn meat. Check out the frozen vegan section at Coles and woolies.

I am not a “dictionary definition” vegan, I actually am ok with eating animal products that come from animals without brains such as mussels and oysters, so I have mussels about once a month, but I don’t eat prawns.

I am also ok with eating honey, as I believe bee keeping can be less impact on animals than other types of farming.

Value Collector · 8 May 2019

Loma Linda brand plant based tuna alternative available at Coles.

Ann · 8 May 2019

Value Collector said:
I don’t think we are in danger of being short of co2, most people find plant based diets reduce inflammation.

Perhaps they just don't realize how badly plant based foods cause inflammation. I had chronic fatigue for 26 years and it was directly related to plant based foods causing inflammation in my spine which was eventually diagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis. My husband also suffers from RA in his hands, cutting out a lot of plant based foods have also corrected the deformities in his fingers following a plant based restricted diet for twenty years. His hands will still inflame immediately if he consumes any of the foods which are the cause. Once I removed those plant based foods, twenty six years of fatigue and pain lifted from me.

This is why with so many people heading to a plant based diet there may be a lot more metabolic diseases occurring.

Value Collector said:
Also, the vast majority of saturated fats you would be consuming come from animal products, so if you are worried about saturated fats, choose more vegan foods.

One of the best and safest saturated fats to use for cooking is coconut oil. Coconut oil and palm oil can be heated and reheated to high temperatures without it turning into a trans fat, unlike the seed based oils such as canola, peanut, olive oil etc. These become trans fats once heated. Trans fats as we all know are carcinogenic.

Value Collector said:
When you think about it, meat grown in the sterile confines of a clean lab should be a lot more appetizing that meat torn from an animal that lived in its own poo and died screaming for its life in a stinky blood filled horror show of a slaughter house,

That is hysterically emotive propaganda and really irritating! Having met and spoken to people who work in reputable abattoirs this is something they avoid happening as a stressed/distressed animal when it is slaughtered will be tense and will then only produce incredibly tough meat. They try to keep the animals calm prior to slaughter. If people shop at a butcher or supermarket that has routinely tough meat, people need to stop buying from them.

...yes I know you can show me some horror footage, we all know there needs to be improvement in this area. It is a simple matter to raise these creatures in a field, the same sort of field used by crops, only with grass fields for animals the ground isn't plowed up causing carbon dioxide to be released. The grass fields will act as carbon sinks which will negate anything the cows may fart out.

fanga · 8 May 2019

Ann said:
The grass fields will act as carbon sinks which will negate anything the cows may fart out.

With the Space industry fastly adopting Methane as a rocket fuel, we may find a way to further reuse by-products of our farming techniques. Although I'm having a hard time picturing the recovery techniques

Ann · 8 May 2019

fanga said:
With the Space industry fastly adopting Methane as a rocket fuel, we may find a way to further reuse by-products of our farming techniques. Although I'm having a hard time picturing the recovery techniques

Many a true word spoken in jest fanga!

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Ann · 9 May 2019

Danone CEO Says Plant-Based Could Become as Big as Dairy in U.S.

Danone’s U.S. plant-based business could become as big as its traditional yogurt business there in 10 years, according to Chief Executive Officer Emmanuel Faber.

The unit, which includes Silk and So Delicious, currently generates less than $1 billion in sales, compared with the $2 billion in dairy. But the category is growing faster as consumers race to adopt vegan alternatives to everything from yogurt to hamburgers.

Emmanuel Faber

Photographer: Christopher Goodney/Bloomberg
“Penetration is very high and it’s very widely adopted already,” Faber said in an interview at a company event in Barcelona. More...

Ann · 10 May 2019

This thread is supposed to be about the business of vegan, not nutrition. Please can we get this back on topic, if it isn't about companies or products related to vegan it is off topic. Please go to the Nutrition thread if you wish to speak about diets.

Ann · 11 May 2019

Here is a list of vegetarian and vegan focused companies as per Wikipedia

Vegetarian and vegan companies

An Amy's Kitchen veggie loaf with mashed potatoes and vegetables

Heritage Health Food's canned vegan Vege-Steak

Two Morningstar Farms veggie burgers being cooked

A Somenoya factory in Shizuoka, Japan

Tofurky is produced by Turtle Island Foods

TataTea

Veganz, Warschauer Straße 33, Berlin, September 2014
- Alpro – a company based in Belgium that markets organic and non-organic, non-genetically modified,[1][2] soy based food and drink products.[3] Alpro became a division of Danone with its 2016 acquisition of WhiteWave Foods.
- Amy's Kitchen – a family-owned, privately held company in Petaluma, California, that manufactures vegetarian Organic food and non-GMO convenience and frozen foods.
- Beauty Without Cruelty – a British company that manufactures vegan cosmetics,[4][5] which contain no animal products, and are not tested on animals.[6]
- Beyond Meat – producers of mass-market pea protein-based products that replace animal protein. (El Segundo, California)
- Bikanervala – vegetarian Indian sweets and snacks manufacturer based in Delhi, India.
- Boca Foods – manufacturer of Boca Burgers, a soy protein and wheat gluten veggie burger; a subsidiary of Kraft Foods.[7][8]
- Celestial Seasonings teas – a division of Hain Celestial Group.
- Daiya – Canadian dairy alternative food company located in Vancouver, British Columbia.
- Earth's Own Food Company – a health food manufacturing company in Canada that prepares the So Good soy beverage in Canada owned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
- Eden Foods Inc. – an organic food company in the United States[9] that produces the Edensoy line of organic soy milk.
- Follow Your Heart – makers of Vegenaise and other vegan and vegetarian food products.
- Gardein – meat-free foods developed by Canadian Yves Potvin (formerly of Yves Deli Cuisine) as Garden Protein International, manufactured from soy, wheat, grains and vegetables, including pea protein.[10] Acquired by Pinnacle Foods in 2014.
- Goshen Alimentos – a Brazilian vegetarian and vegan food manufacturer.
- Happidog – producer of vegetarian dog foods.
- Happy Family – manufacturer of vegetarian, organic Happy Baby foods.
- Impossible Foods — founded in 2011 by Stanford University biochemistry professor Patrick O. Brown.
- Innocent Drinks – produces and purveys smoothies and juice products.
- JUST, Inc. – Founded in 2011 as Hampton Creek Foods, Inc. Several products; non-GMO, egg-free, gluten-free, Kosher spread and dressing, Just Mayo launched in 2013.
- La Loma Foods – formerly Loma Linda Foods. Food manufacturer of "Loma Linda" brand vegetarian and vegan foods.[11] Acquired in 1991 by Morningstar Farms originator, Ohio's Worthington Foods, which was then acquired, in 1999, by Kellogg's and then, in 2015, by the Atlantic Natural Foods Company (Meatless Select, Caroline’s brands), of Nashville, North Carolina.[12][13][14]
- LightLife – produces vegetarian and vegan meat substitutes.
- Linda McCartney Foods – a British food brand specializing in vegetarian and vegan food.[15]
- Lush – a cosmetics company that produces creams, soaps, shampoos, shower gels, lotions, moisturizers, scrubs, masks and other cosmetics using only vegetarian or vegan recipes.
- Make My Day Foods Inc — manufacturer of the Veggie Puck, founded in 2016 in Toronto, Canada.
- Morning Star Farms – Worthington Foods of Ohio developed vegetarian, soy-based meat alternative food products.[16] In 1999, Worthington Foods was acquired by Kellogg's and then, in 2015, by the Atlantic Natural Foods Company, without the Morning Star brand.[17][18] In the 21st Century, Morning Star manufactures a variety of vegetarian foods.
- Nayonaise - founded in Leominster, Massachusetts, in 1977 as Nasoya Foods, Inc., acquired by Vitasoy in 1990, which was then acquired by Pulmuone Co., Ltd. in 2016.
- Plamil Foods – British manufacturer of vegan food products.[19]
- Quorn, a British meat substitute company headquartered in Stokesley North Yorkshire and owned by Monde Nissin Corporation.
- Ripple Foods — California producer of non-gmo, gluten-free, soy-free, non-dairy, pea protein-based Ripple dairy alternatives, made without carrageenans.[20]
- Sabra – a U.S.-based Israeli company which produces Middle Eastern-style dips and other food products.[21] All Sabra products are certified kosher and vegetarian.[22][23][24]
- Sahmyook Foods – South Korean food company producing a large range of soy milks and vegetarian products,[25] which is owned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
- Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing Company – Trading name of two sister food companies (Australian Health and Nutrition Association Ltd[26] and New Zealand Health Association Ltd).[27] wholly owned by the Seventh-day Adventist Church.[28]
- Somenoya – a manufacturer of tofu and eco-friendly soy-based foods located in Chuo Ward, Tokyo.
- Sweet Earth Foods - a manufacturer of vegan, ready-made meals based in Moss Landing, California. Acquired by Nestlé in 2017.
Worthington Vegan Salami Deli Slices
Turtle Island Foods – Produces Tofurky, a vegetarian and vegan alternative to turkey, as well other meatless products.[29]
Tropic Skincare — A British natural skincare and cosmetics company.
Veganz – world's first vegan supermarket chain, headquartered in Berlin, Germany[30]
WhiteWave Foods branded plant-based foods and beverages, and organic produce throughout North America and Europe. WhiteWave was purchased by Danone on 7 July 2016, and is being rebranded as DanoneWave.

Ann · 11 May 2019

Grill'd are selling the Beyond Burger, the newly US listed vegan burger patty as part of their menu, they started off selling grass fed beef in their burgers in response to the growing concern for the way animals are raised. They clearly have their finger on the pulse of what the majority or possibly the vocal minority(?) want.

A while back I tried their 'Mighty Melbourne' $14.50 beef burger on a Gluten Free bun and their seasoned chips $extra...awesome! It made me really sick afterwards as I can't take starch but meh, I wanted to try it.

Recently I decided to do some market research and try the new vegan Beyond Burger from Grill'd two days ago.
I got the "Beyond Simply Grilled" add vegan cheese cost $15. The cheese tasted like chedder cheese, looked like chedder cheese but fell apart easily but most stayed on the burger. The patty looked like a rare cooked pink beef patty. Real beef patties tend to look grey and not very appetizing. The Beyond had an awesome umami flavour, far more than any beef other than when bacon is added. It was really an addictive experience. The umami flavour stayed in my mouth far too long but I was being extra critical because it was a critical research exercise. Would I like to eat this again? Sure would! Will I, no it made me sick. (damn guts!)
Prior to this on the day I went into Maccas which is a place I avoid because I find most of their food revolting and it made my (then young) children very sick (vomit sick). Neither of them will eat food from maccas.

I asked if they had a vegan burger, they suggested I have a hash brown inside a bun. YUMMO...NOT! I would love a Chip Butty, just not from maccas.

So what is my takeout from all this diatribe? If Grill'd lists, I want in!

aus_trader · 11 May 2019

Is Grill'd an Aussie company or an international franchise like Burger King (Hungry Jack's) / Maccas ?

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