doctorj
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Apologies for digging up an old post wayne, I'm just curious what you mean by "indiscriminantly".Overall straddles are a loser if applied indiscriminantly. A good winner though if done properly.
Doc,Apologies for digging up an old post wayne, I'm just curious what you mean by "indiscriminantly".
My interest in straddles has been piqued by a book on probability, psychology and randomness. The author claims that people tend to overvalue current information and undervalue the black swan risk.
The book isn't on trading, but is written by a trader. Aside from being a prick, he's pretty strong on his views and has got me thinking about options. But for a few units back in Uni, my experience with options is almost nil, so I'm interested in your feedback/experience on his strategy (follows).
Reading between the lines, I'm guessing he's primarily trading a long straddle (probably a fair way out of the money too) in circumstances where IV is relatively low. I understand it's likely to lose money far more often than not, but what's your gut feel on the prospect for a strategy like this to have a positive expectency? I doubt he's interested in trading breakouts, but more hoping to catch outliers.
To be honest, I'm not sure if I'm even asking the right question, so thanks for your patience.
Thanks for that Wayne. I'll have to absorb your comments.
You nailed the author in one. I had considered the WTFOTM puts too, but I had assumed the premise he's working on was equally applicable on the upside and downside.
As for your comment about a straddle being a losing strategy, the way I'm interpretting what you've said is that options are always priced efficiently - wouldn't that make all option strategies losing? Are you then suggesting that the nature options lends itself to having a toolbox of sorts you selectively apply, as opposed to a more mechanical strategy?
Great points, and really exposes the nonsense of the options spruiker's usual schpiel on straddles/strangles. I only like them when all the planets line up correctly, then I rarely lose. But indiscriminate straddle buying is an almost certain loser over the long term.Hi WayneL
I've been paper trading on U.S. options. Since I'm not good at analyzing share movement. My main strategy has been either strangle or straddle type. I do realize that on top of all those criteria, how I buy call and put makes a significant difference on profit profile using Black Scholes model. Standard 1 call at X and 1 put at Y does not usually neutralize the delta unless (DeltaC = -DeltaP), and this makes the width of breaking even points to be greater than that of properly delta neutralized strangle or straddle in the early part of the game (first few weeks) and as a result, requires larger movemet of the underlying share price in order to profit.
I will eventually cover it in my site, but that's a way off yet. Sheldon Natenburg's Volatility and Pricing is probably the best though.I appreiciate the effect of volatility. In some of my positions, both call and put made money because of the increasing implied volatility. In this case, strangle and straddle type make more money than just a single long put or call. The vega risk is a lot higher for straddle type but also return can be higher when IV goes up. It is now very important for me to acquire a volatility projection skill. Is there any recommended reading material I should cover for this??? Please let me know, I much appreciate it.
Don't quite know what you mean in the second part of this paragraph.I ve been working on a closing strategy for this type of strategy. But it is kind of tricky. Also I m working on a strangle strategy that starts off with delta neutral and as the time passes by ( after 2 or 3 weeks), the loss region shifts away from the original share price so that it serves as a neutral strategy in the beginning and if it is all quiet for awhile the shift in loss region may help the share price to hit the profit region.
Thanks for your time
1/ Only place the straddle on when it is neutral. In stocks, that is slightly below the strike. This is due to the cost of carry priced in to stock options.
2/ Use a synthetic straddle (using calls and short shares or visa versa) , creating delta neutral by adjusting the number of shares.
Other things to be aware of. Straddles/are a trade off of greeks. More time means less gamma, more movement needed to manufacture delta, more vega, less theta. Less time means more gamma, less movement to manufacture delta, less vega, but more theta.
Don't quite know what you mean in the second part of this paragraph.
So you are gamma scalping, if I understand you correctly? Cool. The stock in the synthetic will help markedly.I like this strategy too. I only have tried with a long put and long stock. Only thing that I don't like about it, is the low leverage and small gamma. But theta and vega are smaller than straddle or strangle so I feel more comfortable openning the postion longer. I prefer to use this after strangle or straddle makes money and lock the profit. Only the problem is when the current total delta is positive then I have to short sell shares and some securities I can't short sell them (it happened to me on optionsXpress virtual trading). Once it is locked, then I make an iteration of the process of waiting for the share price to move then lock the profit.
Hahaha.. I didnt know it is called gamma scalping. I m still a newbie and I don't know many terminologies. I've been trying whatever the method that seem to work mathematically. Thanks WayneL. I ll investigate further on this technique.
Ron Ianeri put together a good intro video. have a look here: http://www.options-university.com/Videos/GammaTrading/
Yeh it is a good introduction. The guy in the video sounds enthusiastic for the solid 30 min.
Yeah - the few times I have heard him, it's always the same. Full marks for being passionate about his subject!
Ron took a session on "Volatility and Options Pricing" on ThinkorSwim's free Wednesday trader lounge on 12th March, 2008. The archive is found on found on this page: http://www.thinkorswim.com/tos/displayPage.tos?webpage=onlineSeminar&displayFormat=hide
BTW Wayne - good stuff on your site and so well set out. Should really help budding option traders - will also follow it with interest
Thanks sails. I'm relying on you to pick up any BS.
I will eventually cover it in my site, but that's a way off yet. Sheldon Natenburg's Volatility and Pricing is probably the best though.
Just click on the link in my sig. I'm still going through the basics, but any questions, ask here on ASF.I forgot to ask. May I have a look at your site please? I am very interested!
Just click on the link in my sig. I'm still going through the basics, but any questions, ask here on ASF.
Cheers
Looks like a great effort put into the site. I am looking forward to a further development. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Probably only thing I can provide is 3D plots of Black Scholes equation. I have a maths software to plot the pay off curve with respect to strike price and time progression. Also I can plot all the greeks with respect to any of the variables, share price, strike price, volatility, interest rate, etc. The profile of pay off and greeks can be described by words but it might be helpful for the visitors of the site to visualize it in 3D.
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