Smoking not all bad

I would be cautious about eating baked beans and smoking. I do like to make condoms smoke as I like the smell of burning rubber.
Electronic Ciggs seem popular over here if any one is interested I will find out the price as I assume they would be cheaper here.

I smoked a pack a day of full strength for 15 years and never intended to quit as I enjoyed smoking. 1 year and 3 months ago a friend mentioned electronic cigarettes, so after some research I thought I'd give them a go. The day I tried ecigs was the last day I smoked traditional cigarettes.

I swapped smoking for vaping and have been smoke free for 15 months. About 2 months ago I had a couple puffs on a friends cigarette to see if I missed it, I couldn't believe how discusting it tasted........it was then that I knew I would never smoke again.

Cheers

It's a f**ken filthy habit. Note to smokers - "you smell like dog-s**t!".

I know, l am an ex smoker and as MACCA points out above, it's only after you quit, you realise how much it stinks.

MACCA350 said:

The day I tried ecigs was the last day I smoked traditional cigarettes.

I swapped smoking for vaping

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Never heard of this. Interesting. More info please.
Deserves a thread of its own?

Timmy said:

Never heard of this. Interesting. More info please.
Deserves a thread of its own?

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Google and YouTube are you're best bet, also the aussievapers forum.

Basically an electronic cigarette is a device that vaporizes a liquid which contains nicotine into a vapor to mimic the sensation of smoking and to deliver nicotine without the many dangerous chemicals found in traditional cigarettes.

Ecigs come in many forms, from the basic that have a similar form factor to a traditional cigarette to variable voltage power modules with tank modifications. I personally use a Provari with Liquinator Tank mod.

There are three main elements to an ecig:
1) Battery pack
2) Atomizer, this is a heating coil that vaporizes the eliquid
3) Eliquid, this is generally a mix of pharmaceutical grade propylene glycol(PG) or vegetable glycerine(VG)(or a mix of the two) which contains nicotine and flavorings.

In the end, getting your nicotine fix becomes about as dangerous as getting your caffeine fix from a cup of coffee.
Oh and it's far cheaper, my consumables cost about $5-10 per week. One of the best things about it is there's a vast array of flavors from various tobacco's to deserts and fruits.
Currently it's illegal to purchase eliquid which contains nicotine within Australia but it is legal to import a 3 month supply at a time for personal use. I personally import unflavored nicotine eliquid and mix with locally bought flavorings, but you can just purchase the whole kit with pre filled consumable cartridges or cartomizers(combined atomizer and eliquid cartridge) so it can be as simple or as complex as you wish.

Cheers

Thanks Macca - good info, appreciate it.

MACCA350 said:

Basically an electronic cigarette is a device that vaporizes a liquid which contains nicotine into a vapor to mimic the sensation of smoking and to deliver nicotine without the many dangerous chemicals found in traditional cigarettes.

In the end, getting your nicotine fix becomes about as dangerous as getting your caffeine fix from a cup of coffee.

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The reduction in adverse health effects that come from inhaling smoke would seem to make legalising the whole process a net benefit?

Timmy said:

Thanks Macca - good info, appreciate it.

The reduction in adverse health effects that come from inhaling smoke would seem to make legalising the whole process a net benefit?

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lol Timmy, whats this legalising process ?

What bush you been hiding under anyhow ?

Vaping's been around for ages... havent cast my eye across a copy of "High Times" for 20+ years, but it was a definite goer back then

awg said:

lol Timmy, whats this legalising process ?

What bush you been hiding under anyhow ?

Vaping's been around for ages... havent cast my eye across a copy of "High Times" for 20+ years, but it was a definite goer back then

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Your right - only vaguely aware of this stuff so news to me.
I need to get out more LOL.

awg said:

lol Timmy, whats this legalising process ?

What bush you been hiding under anyhow ?

Vaping's been around for ages... havent cast my eye across a copy of "High Times" for 20+ years, but it was a definite goer back then

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I think the process is a bit different, the ecig doesn't heat tobacco to release vapor.

Nicotine is extracted from the tobacco(99% purity or better), it is then diluted(generally down to 0.5-3%, 5-30mg) with either PG or VG or a mixture of the two and mixed with flavorings. The result is a liquid which is then heated by the atomizer to convert to vapor.

The ecig was invented in China in 2003 and released to the market in 2004.

Cheers

"Along with the pleasures of smoking there are real risks of serious diseases such as lung cancer, respiratory disease and heart disease, and for many people, smoking is difficult to quit.

Smoking is a cause of various serious and fatal diseases, including lung cancer, emphysema, chronic bronchitis and heart diseases

The health risks of smoking are derived from epidemiology. Epidemiology is a statistically based science, dealing with risks among large groups of people, rather than with individuals"

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Who said this.......?

You may be surprised....... http://www.bat.com/group/sites/uk__3mnfen.nsf/vwPagesWebLive/DO52AMG6?opendocument&SKN=1

Telling the truth about smoking.

It has been difficult and awkward for many years to accept that the tobacco industry was lying through its teeth in almost anything it had to say about the safety of its products. It is hard to reconcile the picture of successful, big business executives with sociopathic liars. And it also raises the question that if one successful industry is capable of creating self serving lies to continue the sale of its very profitable products what is the chance other companies are doing likewise?

I bring up the subject because the US Supreme Court has decided that it will force tobacco companies to acknowledge both the truth of the how dangerous cigarettes are and the fact they (they companies ) had been systematically lying to the public for umpteen years about this situation.

They knew all along about the health consequences of smoking but repeatedly lied to the public.

Anyway these are facts that the Supreme Court has demanded tobacco companies print on ciggies

Points US tobacco companies have been ordered to admit in print and broadcast:

"Smoking kills, on average, 1,200 Americans. Every day."

"Defendant tobacco companies intentionally designed cigarettes to make them more addictive."

"When you smoke, the nicotine actually changes the brain - that’s why quitting is so hard."

"All cigarettes cause cancer, lung disease, heart attacks and premature death - lights, low tar, ultra lights and naturals. There is no safe cigarette."

"Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer and coronary heart disease in adults who do not smoke."

"Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at an increased risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), acute respiratory infections, ear problems, severe asthma and reduced lung function."

"There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke."



It will be interesting to see how the industry responds.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/toba...-admit-lies-20121128-2adnc.html#ixzz2DUfZWdkc

Man killed by exploding electronic cigarette in US
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...xploding-electronic-cigarette-in-us-1.3498713

Just had a local "tobacconist" go up in flames. Sunday night, 7pm.

Now here's what I think. The high tax has created a prohibition effect, where illegal imports and "chop" are so lucrative that the gangs have moved in.

AND THE TAX TAKE HAS DROPPED.

Drop the tax, let the smokers get ill. I remember 5 years ago there was consensus that tax at that (lower) level was sufficient to pay for the healthcare of emphysema, cancer and other costs. They died earlier.

Just a ridiculous situation.

Mind you, the entrenched gangs will just move on to something else.

ALSO, don't rent your commercial property to these mobs, ... and definitely if you're renting, don't take up an apartment above a vape/ ciggies shop.

The promise of massive profits has driven the rise of corner stores selling illicit tobacco and nicotine products, fuelling a wave of firebombings and violent turf wars as gangs and Middle Eastern crime syndicates battle for control of the booming black market.

Most of the intercepted product was shipped through ports in Victoria and NSW and originated from China, Hong Kong, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates. A single container of illicit cigarettes can cost $400,000 to ship from overseas and return profits of up to $10m.

Smoking is old fashioned, obsolete and no longer required.

But I'm not a fool, I realise a portion of the population are inclined to set things on fire and inhale the fumes, I'm a realist there. So long as they don't do it in a manner that exposes innocent people to the fumes, and they don't set buildings or the bush on fire, OK then.

I do agree very much the tax has gone too far, as has the new idea if printing warnings on each and every cigarette, on the actual cigarette not the pack, reminding of the dangers. Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone already knows that - it'd actually be impossible that any literate adult hadn't heard about the dangers of smoking many times before now, the message is so ubiquitous it's just not possible anyone hasn't heard and that's assuming they've never smoked and have no friends or family who do. If they do smoke, well it's on every pack, can't miss it.

So my thoughts are pretty straightforward. There's justification for a tax rate on tobacco higher than that applied to most goods and services, there's justification for a specific tax beyond GST, but not at the present level that's doing more harm than good. There needs to be a sensible middle ground. And stop putting warnings on each cigarette - that's just being childish, it's not helping anyone.

To balance that, there's a need for some efficiency in how government spends money. By that I'm not suggesting we take welfare payments away from those in genuine need for whatever reason and nor am I suggesting we close the ABC or sell off the National Parks. Where we should be making very heavy cuts are the middlemen sitting in offices doing not much except getting rich straddling taxpayer's generosity on one hand, and the suffering of those in need on the other.