Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

pilots said:

I irks me that our politicians do NOTHING for all our other Australians who are in jail over seas, but thats the LAW, they have all been caught, tried, and convicted, we DON'T have the right to tell other country's what to do. GUILTY.

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Sorry Pilots, but you are WRONG.

Human Rights are UNIVERSAL, and every country can reasonably be expected to uphold them. Furthermore, any country that violates them should be condemned.

Schapelle was denied the right to a fair trial, in contravention of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Article 11 (1).

"An abuse of Human Rights ANYWHERE is threat to Human Rights EVERYWHERE"

ColB said:

Schapelle Corby, Mercedes Corby and Rosalie Corby ALL IRK ME!!

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People like you IRK ME!!

You know nothing about this family, you don't even know how to spell the mother's name, you have no appreciation for the nightmare they are all enduring, and not one of them has ever done anything to hurt you, yet they IRK YOU.

What does that say about you??

Re: Schapelle Corby - What irks you?

nulla nulla said:

This thread and the people that blindly protest her innocence irk me.

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Nulla Nulla, the people who protest Schapelle's innocence are not the blind ones. It is those who chant GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY who are blind.

When you open your eyes, step outside the square, and take the time to research this case properly, instead of just relying on the propaganda fed to the masses my the main stream media, you begin to see it in a whole new light.

When this occurs, Schapelle's obvious Innocence become so apparent that you could never question it again. Try it sometime.

Agentm said:

if she gets out then it puts eddie out of business

this is the link

http://www.schapellecorbytours.com/

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schapellecorbytours is a fake site and no such violation of Schapelle's human rights and dignity would EVER be tolerated by the family or her supporters. Furthermore, it is not possible to visit Schapelle unless your name is on a Consulate Approved List, and only the names of family and close friends are on it. My name is on it, yours never will be!!

However, the fact that you have posted this link here, for all your mates on this forum to have a sick giggle at, shows the level to which this thread has sunk.

nulla nulla said:

HHmmmm.... she might have to spice it up a bit, a film of someone sitting arround bawling might not have much audience appeal.

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This post just shows what an utterly heartless person you are. Unlike me, you have no idea what Schapelle has had to endure, and is still enduring. I assure you, it is terrible indeed. I have seen the sadness in her face and the dullness in her eyes. I have heard the tragic stories from the family.

I often wish that people like you could stand in Schapelle's shoes, for a few months, and see how you like it - so much suffering for a crime she did not commit!!

Honourable said:

schapellecorbytours is a fake site and no such violation of Schapelle's human rights and dignity would EVER be tolerated by the family or her supporters. Furthermore, it is not possible to visit Schapelle unless your name is on a Consulate Approved List, and only the names of family and close friends are on it. My name is on it, yours never will be!!

However, the fact that you have posted this link here, for all your mates on this forum to have a sick giggle at, shows the level to which this thread has sunk.

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LOLOL ...... times are tough on the "innocent victim" spiel Honourable. GUILTY !!!!!!! Have a Mogadon and calm yourself down, attacking this thread is not doing your cause any good. Go and see yourself on the "approved" list and tell Schapelle that she needs to try a different approach. It worked for Michelle Leslie so why not try the tried and true method of working with their laws to free your heroine. I will be over there soon. I will talk to some people and get some cold hard FACTS on the state of play. Stay tuned.

nunthewiser said:

Hi

Next time you write to either corby sister can you please ask them to contact jonno as he keeps asking about his boogie board bag and i think he would like it back .........

Thanks in advance

Nun.

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Thanks nunthewiser, for adding your usual measure of stupidity to what used to be a debate on whether Schapelle Corby is Innocent or Guilty.

I have offered a number of links on this thread, to provide enlightenment to anyone interested, but I bet you wont have looked at any of them, will you?

As such, you will just have to remain none-the-wiser

He also asked if you could mention his wallet also as he suspects one of the girls nicked it off the nightstand.

Thanks in advance

Nun.

trainspotter said:

LOLOL ...... times are tough on the "innocent victim" spiel Honourable. GUILTY !!!!!!! Have a Mogadon and calm yourself down, attacking this thread is not doing your cause any good. Go and see yourself on the "approved" list and tell Schapelle that she needs to try a different approach. It worked for Michelle Leslie so why not try the tried and true method of working with their laws to free your heroine. I will be over there soon. I will talk to some people and get some cold hard FACTS on the state of play. Stay tuned.

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I repeat myself here for comedy purposes only. I have provided you previously with a phone number in Bali to call direct to a Consular official who will help you with your cause. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

By the way..... I just asked Jonno if the girls ever mentioned you and apparently they havent.

Now i know jonno knows them personally, he assures me she is guilty as charged and it was a regular smuggling trip, im more inclined to believe his story rather than some namecalling anomonous internet poster claiming to know them so he/she can make there pleas for understanding more credible.

No offense intended of course.

Honourable said:

Indonesia is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Article 11.

* (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

Schapelle was not given all the guarantees necessary for her defence.

She was denied fingerprinting of the plastic bags.

She was denied a weight comparison of her baggage, to determine whether it was 4kg heavier than when checked in.

She was denied forensic testing of the drugs to determine THC content (which would have established the quality of the drugs - bush weed or hydro) and place of origin.

She was denied access to the CCTV footage from the camera above the Customs Counter, which could have corroborated her story about what happened, and what was said, when the boogie-board bag was placed on the counter.

Her own sworn statement, and the testimony of all her witnesses was dismissed.

Not a single Judge in the panel of 3 had ever acquitted a defendant, and Chief Judge Linton Sirait had presided over 500 previous drug related trials.

These are indisputable FACTS!

As such, her trial was a sham, and any verdict coming out of it has no credibility.

She was judged guilty, no one is denying that. We don't like it, but we have to live with it. Schapelle Corby has to live with it. But this does not make it right!

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I notice that not one of you, with the exception of Agentm (who went off on a complete tangent) has ever responded to this post of mine. Why???

It's because you can't!!! Schapelle was not proven guilty according to law, Indonesian Law, and as such the verdict is not credible. The verdict stands, as we all know, but this does not make it right!!!

As for me staying tuned to this thread, that won't be happening. I'm wasting my time here, time that I can no longer spare. To those few who have supported me, I thank you. To the rest, please, wake up and look around.

The Truth Is Out There.

Try here for starters: http://www.schapelle.net/

toodles

nunthewiser said:

anomonous

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Learn to spell Mate.

The correct spelling is 'anonymous'.

Bye!

i missed you.

great to have you back

Yep, thats their version before the court case.

After the court case, all the missing puzzles came out that the media so conveniently lost in the process.

Honourable, you have been to Bali ONCE

Most have been to Bali many times and each have come up with the same conclusion - Guilty.

Stop blaming the country.

She wont admit her guilt, why would she and drag more from her family in jail?

I am out of this thread

Tink said:

.....Honourable, you have been to Bali ONCE

Most have been to Bali many times and each have come up with the same conclusion - Guilty.....

I am out of this thread

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Please check before posting. I have visited Bali many times as stated. It is peurile to suggest that this makes me an authority on the Indonesian justice system - for what it is.

I have stated that I don't know whether SC is guilty or not.

How would going to Bali even daily make a visitor an authority to the extent that he/she can pronounce a definitve verdict of guilt or innocence?

Silly stuff.

Honourable said:

Sorry Pilots, but you are WRONG.

Human Rights are UNIVERSAL, and every country can reasonably be expected to uphold them. Furthermore, any country that violates them should be condemned.

Schapelle was denied the right to a fair trial, in contravention of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Article 11 (1).

"An abuse of Human Rights ANYWHERE is threat to Human Rights EVERYWHERE"

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hmmm.. ok lets start in our own back yard..

lets at least have aboriginals treated as equals..

forget the drug runners in prison elsewhere, there are our fellow countrymen we are talking about.. our brothers on this soil!!


Australia: Government must end state-sponsored racially discriminatory measures

18 November 2009

Slamming decades of failure by Australian governments to address the dire living conditions, disempowerment and discrimination faced by many of the country’s Indigenous peoples, Amnesty International’s Secretary General Irene Khan warned that the government of Prime Minister Rudd must not squander its unique opportunity to right these historic wrongs.

In the latest in a long line of indignities, some 45,000 Aboriginal people are today still subject to state-sponsored racially discriminatory measures, including blanket quarantining of social security payments as a result of the Northern Territory Emergency Response (NTER).

“The blunt force of the Intervention’s heavy handed ‘one size fits all’ approach cannot deliver the desired results. The Government will not secure the long term protection of women and children unless there is an integrated human rights solution that empower peoples and engages them to take responsibility for the solutions,” Irene Khan said.

Welcoming the commitment she had received from Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin that the Government would introduce legislation to reinstate the Racial Discrimination Act in the Northern Territory, Irene Khan called on the Government to ensure that it does so in line with Australia’s international obligations not to discriminate against Indigenous peoples.

While noting that grave levels of violence against women and children is the stated rationale for the NTER, Irene Khan emphasized that respect for women and children’s human rights would not be secured without respect for all human rights for all.

“Indigenous people in remote Aboriginal communities deserve the same respect, safety and protection as does any Australian – but this will not be achieved in a sustained manner under the Emergency Response which is stigmatizing and disempowering an already marginalized people and which is in violation of Australia’s international obligations,” said Irene Khan.

As part of her visit to Australia, Amnesty International’s Secretary General visited the Utopia region in central Australia, an impoverished grouping of homeland communities 350 kilometres northeast of Alice Springs.

“For a country which by human development standards is the third most developed in the world and one which has emerged from the global financial crisis comparatively unscathed, such a level of poverty, is inexcusable, unexpected and unacceptable,” said Irene Khan.

“In the heart of this first world I found scenes more reminiscent of the third world. That Indigenous peoples experience human rights violations on a continent of such privilege is not merely disheartening, it is morally outrageous. The moral imperative to eradicate such poverty is no less an imperative on government than to eliminate torture.”

Irene Khan called for a new approach, grounded in a genuine respect for traditional culture and with human rights principles at its core, to tackle the complex problem of the entrenched poverty and discrimination faced by Indigenous peoples in Australia.

“There is a real risk of an enormous opportunity for change being squandered. The government’s apology to the Stolen Generations and other Indigenous Australians along with its support for the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is a welcome shift from the past. This Government is making a serious financial and political investment but to achieve the returns it wants, it must replace its blunt and blanket policy approaches.”

“The pathway out of poverty for Indigenous people must have the hallmarks of respect for human rights: voice must matter, equality cannot be compromised, security must be delivered on a human scale and active engagement for long term solutions must be made local, personal and perennial."

Amnesty International called on the whole of the government, not just individual Ministries, to develop an integrated approach – an approach that places all human rights – not merely some human rights - at the centre and which allows all human rights to be respected and exercised by Indigenous Australians.

“To fulfil its enormous potential on the regional and global stage, the Rudd Government must make ‘bringing human rights home’ its central goal,” concluded Irene Khan.

NOTE TO EDITORS

In 2007, the Australian Government launched an intervention into Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory. To enact the Northern Territory Emergency Response legislation and to implement the intervention, the Government suspended the Racial Discrimination Act and Northern Territory anti-discrimination legislation. Two years into a new government, more than 45,000 Aboriginal people are still subject to racially discriminatory measures, including the compulsory and blanket quarantining of social security payments in 73 Northern Territory communities.

Irene Khan is leading an Amnesty International visit to Australia between 15 and 20 November 2009. While in Australia, Irene Khan launched her book, The Unheard Truth: Poverty and Human Rights, which addresses these issues in depth.

More information about the book The Unheard Truth: Poverty and Human Rights is available at www.theunheardtruth.org

Amnesty International’s Demand Dignity campaign aims to end the human rights violations that drive and deepen global poverty. The campaign is mobilizing people all over the world to demand that governments, corporations and others who have power, listen to the voices of those living in poverty and recognize and protect their rights.

Photographs and footage of Irene Khan’s Utopia Homeland visit are available. To obtain them, and for further information or to arrange an interview, please contact the Amnesty International Press Office on +44 207 413 55 66

Honourable said:

I notice that not one of you, with the exception of Agentm (who went off on a complete tangent) has ever responded to this post of mine. Why???

It's because you can't!!! Schapelle was not proven guilty according to law, Indonesian Law, and as such the verdict is not credible. The verdict stands, as we all know, but this does not make it right!!!

As for me staying tuned to this thread, that won't be happening. I'm wasting my time here, time that I can no longer spare. To those few who have supported me, I thank you. To the rest, please, wake up and look around.

The Truth Is Out There.

Try here for starters: http://www.schapelle.net/

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Honourable mate,

I think you need to harden up and realise that sometimes life can be tough, and stop whingeing about the Corby girl, and get on with your life.

You are getting to be as much a nuisance to me as the visiting godbotherers of a Sunday who regularly get run over as I reverse my Bentley down the driveway on my way to the Sunday session at the Ross Island Hotel.

So, just harden up and get on with your life.

She has stuffed hers up, make sure you don't waste your energies on her problems.

Do you have any opinion on the gfc, aussie versus us dollar or asx, or do you wake, live and sleep Corby.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

Honourable mate,

I think you need to harden up and realise that sometimes life can be tough, and stop whingeing about the Corby girl, and get on with your life.

You are getting to be as much a nuisance to me as the visiting godbotherers of a Sunday who regularly get run over as I reverse my Bentley down the driveway on my way to the Sunday session at the Ross Island Hotel.

So, just harden up and get on with your life.

She has stuffed hers up, make sure you don't waste your energies on her problems.

Do you have any opinion on the gfc, aussie versus us dollar or asx, or do you wake, live and sleep Corby.

gg

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GG. I think you just hit the nail on the head, he wants to sleep with Corby Honorable, you was not as good as Wacko Zako.

pilots said:

GG. I think you just hit the nail on the head, he wants to sleep with Corby Honorable, you was not as good as Wacko Zako.

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Agree with you both however, Corby may have done it but the justice metered out was a bit excessive. The principal is, be careful about you Son or Daughter when they cross such borders.

But yep, no one, I am convinced now, gives a rats.