Have recently been reviewing the share portfolio of my SMSF and while my major holdings are mainly ASX top 20 blue chip, the weightings or proportions that each share holding makes up is quite different from for example from the ASX Top 20 or the top 20 holdings in some of the larger Australian Share Funds.
To what extent do others in a similar position use ASX Top 20 etc as a benchmark? Are there model portfolios that one can access without subscribing to a Newsletter?
This is particularly an issue for me at the moment as I'm currently about 40% invested in shares and am planning to take this up to 50% plus in the New Year which obviously would be a good time to address imbalances
Personally I would not worry about having weightings different to ASX 20 - you may overperform slightly or underperform slightly. Personally I am underweight banking as I think more regulation and increased competition once crisis eases will restrict growth for the majors.
I'm only about 30% in shares and very gradually feeding more in. Don't restrict myself to the top 100. Some of my best gains have been from companies outside this.
Presently have:
BRG (this turned out to be a bad buy when the regulator denied the merger with GUD. However, GUD have now extended the offer which I'll accept. Maybe they have some plan for getting around ASIC's objections. Does anyone know any more about this?)
CBA
Campbell Bros Ltd
Monadelphous Ltd
Maquarie Group
Mac Services Group
Tox Free Solutions Ltd
The Reject Shop
United Group Ltd
WBC
Worley Parsons Ltd.
Will be adding RIO, BHP,WES, LEI, and maybe BKN, CPU as opportunities arise.
I'm only about 30% in shares and very gradually feeding more in.
I would have thought 30% a bit on the conservative side Julia. Do you have an uncomfortable feeling about the future course of the market?
As regards the shares you hold, they make sense to me. But its the weightings you have and the rationale behind them that I'm interested in. In my case the weightings have to a large extent been affected by the performance of the share prices since I bought them e.g. I bought WES very well and also bought into their capital raising and it is now my biggest holding at 12.6% - but do I want 12.6% of my share portfolio in WES?
Brian, I simply don't know what will happen. I don't think anyone does.I would have thought 30% a bit on the conservative side Julia. Do you have an uncomfortable feeling about the future course of the market?
I simply don't focus much on weighting. I may be wrong in this. But I'm happy to have more in stocks which are performing well.As regards the shares you hold, they make sense to me. But its the weightings you have and the rationale behind them that I'm interested in. In my case the weightings have to a large extent been affected by the performance of the share prices since I bought them e.g. I bought WES very well and also bought into their capital raising and it is now my biggest holding at 12.6% - but do I want 12.6% of my share portfolio in WES?
Indeed, gooner. Or, in my case, getting the timing right so as not to give back too much profit when selling. This happened to me with Oakton (OKN) where I had over 100% profit in about five months, but when I sold that had reduced to about 80%.Julia
Agree that best gains often come from outside top 100 companies. As do worst lossesThe challenge is picking the winners and not the losers.
Interesting. But 2020? Are you sure you don't mean 2010? I hope the latter.AFR had Campbell Bros as one of its "top 10 stocks for 2020" the other day.
Thanks for that, condog. I'm always interested in Marcus Padley's views.I suggest anyone contemplating a SMSF direct share portfolio at least read this article....Its not too dis-similar to those portfolios in here:
http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-complete-morons-guide-to-top-10-stocks-20091016-h1b6.html
Disclaimer: this is an external link to Sdney morning Herald article.....follow link at your own perril.This site an I take no responsibility ofr content beyonfd this post.
I've long held this view and will never buy anything just for its yield.The only stocks that don't get an automatic pick in the top 10 include Telstra and Wesfarmers. Telstra because the only sex it offers is a yield, and by rights no one should invest in equities for that.
Equities are for growth in capital - ask any Yank - and if it wasn't for the performance of a protected monopoly called the Australian bank sector that has spoilt us into thinking we can have income and capital growth, the Australian retail investor would realise that.
High yield means low growth, which means a dull share price. Utilities, regulated gambling, property trusts, food, infrastructure, health care. I rest my case.
Mr Padley's comment here about WES is interesting. I've only put it into my "probably buy" category since the Coles make-over seems to be finally bearing fruit. Looks as though they are on the right track at long last.Wesfarmers doesn't get in because it's too complicated for most people. You'll find brokers very divided on Wesfarmers. Most are cautious about the big lash on Coles. That uncertainty, and the fact that it has about 10 different business units, puts it in the too-hard basket because no one really knows what it does. But the main bits are cyclical and I reckon that's enough at the moment.
Yes, I agree about this. You were aware of some adverse reports which I missed re OKN, condog. Had I been up to speed with these, I'd not have given back as much profit. So, absolutely, timing is everything.I think its a good starting point.....Have to agree with Julia, most my non-top stocks have been my star performers.....In relation to the risk though....risk is more a function to do with time and knowledge then the market cap of the company......B&B, Enron, Ansette, etc hmmmm not to safe, plus a few American and European banks.... do your research....knowledge lowers risk.
Marcus Padley linked article said:High yield means low growth, which means a dull share price. Utilities, regulated gambling, property trusts, food, infrastructure, health care. I rest my case.
Interesting. But 2020? Are you sure you don't mean 2010? I hope the latter.
http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-complete-morons-guide-to-top-10-stocks-20091016-h1b6.html
Bollocks to you Mr Padley...i brought into HDF about 6 weeks before he wrote that article and im sitting on a capital gain of about 31% and getting a distribution yield of over 14%
There are no absolutes....anyone sticking to the top 20 is missing out on the big moves and big yields, for the perception of safety.
Hmmm. I am sensing a theme coming through replies to this thread and it is that most of you are experienced investors who have the skill and background to identify "non-moron portfolio" stocks and expect to be able to move in and out of them profitably. But I'm guessing that I'm not alone in seeking to avoid the clutches of the FP industry and as well enjoy having control over my own financial destiny in retirement but don't have the background referred to above. And while I don't expect this expertise will come without effort, I don't want to devote my waking hours getting this experience. And so my portfolio is fairly consistent with MP's "moron portfolio".
However I am enjoying what you are saying and have picked up some very insightful perspectives (on this and other threads in ASF). Thanks for your efforts.
Cheers
OK. So now that it has happened, are you unhappy with what you are holding? Is the SP of these companies increasing at a rate you are happy with?Thanks for the encouraging words So_Cynical. The issue I have which would have come through from my posts above is that I have a portfolio of a dozen plus blue chips which I have for the most part bought quite well but I don't have a rationale for what I am doing that I am comfortable with. I have shares across the main sectors but the balance is by default - I didn't plan it, it has just happened.
The inference from this is that to buy the banks e.g. you would need to sell some of your existing holdings?And I have never sold all or part of a blue chip holding. And I am finding now that the blue chips I want more exposure to eg banks are getting expensive.
None of us were experienced when we first started out, Brian. Maybe if you address the questions above, you will provide for yourself the first step in moving ahead if that's what you want to do.Perhaps this is how many retirees operate the equities part of their SMSF. As I said earlier, I get the impression that the people posting on these forums are very competent and experienced but I do wonder if there is another large sector out there who would like the assurance of some model or guidelines on which base their portfolios.
OK. So now that it has happened, are you unhappy with what you are holding? Is the SP of these companies increasing at a rate you are happy with?
To go back to the beginning, what do you need your p/f to do for you?
Is your primary aim to grow your capital, or to provide an ongoing income?
(the latter could be derived either from cashing in some of your capital gain, or from dividends and franking credits).
Presumably you are using the tax advantages of super to maximise your returns?
Is the p/f satisfactorily achieving this/these requirements?
Looking at the fundamentals of each of the companies you own, do you have any concerns or reservations about any of them?
Does the p/f allow you to sleep at night?
In other words, are you actually unhappy with what you are doing, or are you rather trying to address some vague feeling that you could be doing things better?
Just to place my comments in a perspective I am a retiree fully self-funded taking an accounts based pension from my SMSF since Sept 08. I have a bit over 40% of my holdings in Australian equities and the rest in TD's and cash.
In a relative sense I am happy with my share portfolio as our SMSF has increased in value by some 10% in that time after taking the pension. This increase has been from the share portfolio as everyone knows how much TD's were paying until recently.
But because I am doing OK doesn't mean others aren't doing a lot better. And I was really trying to get a handle on the rationale behind the way people structure their share portfolios.
It seems from what is being said here, that structure is not the issue, but rather the focus is on individual shares - if you are confident of the capital growth and income prospects of a share and you have themoney, buy it then hold until you either need the money or see a better option.
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