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Jupiters moon pic from THE AUSTRALIAN
Bwacull, as i understand it, that view of Jupiters moons is pretty much how Roemer measured the speed of light, way back in the 17th century.

I take my hat off to him - how the hell do you use that image to measure the speed of light :-

( see enclosed jpeg - and read it , basically the diameter of the earths orbit is 1000 light seconds across- hence the difference between the first moon when observed at B was 1000 secs later than it should be).
Then I found this on the many moons etc :- (I'm strictly an amateur at this stuff )
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/jupiter.htm
Then felt I like some watcher of the skies when a new planet swims into his ken. - John Keats

Ps the light reaching us from the sun is obviously about half that 1000 seconds old = 500 secs , call it 8 mins old.
i.e. when you see the sun rise, it actually rose 6 minutes ago
likewise the moon - but that's only one light-second away, hence only 1 second ahead of its image. : 2twocents
 

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Bwacull,
since :-
a) jupiter's atmosphere is mainly hydrogen and helium
b) their day is only about 11 hours
c) they have up to 40 moons
d) their year is about 11.8 of our years
e) the get a ready made weather map when they send up a satellite

then
1. if anyone lives there, they probably talk with chipmonk voices
2. if you go visit em, don't bother taking them any balloons because they probably won't work too well
3. no need for computers to calculate their weather maps ... " and here is tonight's weather map - yes cyclone tracy is still going strong 30 years later, and over here...."
4. "moons will rise tonight at 8.00 pm, also at 8.30, 11.00, 12.30, etc etc"
5. "tonight we acknowledge the passing away of our old revered leader, aged 8 years". etcetc

At least with a temperature of -121degC, we could go there and industrialise the place - without having to worry about global warming for 50 years or so
The Most Important Image Ever Taken
spooly that is phenomenal, isn't it !?,
you seriously run out of zeros on your calculator
even our closet star is Alpha Centauri :-
 

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Re that previous youtube... (brilliant btw - thanks)
This site seems to be responsible for the "greatest image ever etc"
http://www.deepastronomy.com/hubble-deep-field.html
The person who apparently made the video goes on to say (on that website)

Spooly and Bwacull, here are some more images "for discussion as necessary "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OehP8jX8Xs&mode=related&search=
 

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for discussion
 

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a few quick comments / ditties I just read about relativity.

Time, can be thought of as a fourth dimension -
"the reader is cautioned against concluding that time is an additional physical dimension in the sensse that it can be seen and felt like a material object. ... etc as per attachment
etc etc
 

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for discussion
In post #44 I quoted that website , "greatest image ever", http://www.deepastronomy.com/hubble-deep-field.html as follows:-
Now personally I don't have a clue what he's talking about , scaling factors etc (at least scaling factors large enough for 13 and 78 to "work", one being six times the other, etc ??
Maybe someone else out there does ?
 
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=151
Further to previous post, I think I prefer this blokes explanation.. "15 billion years of "observable" Universe"

Now to work out how the hell space "doubles back on itself" lol - maybe I'll try that one when I'm sober some day.


Getting back to something a bit easier, that Hubble photo implies.....
123 quintillion stars !!
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=720

 

Very good.


"Observers with relative motion will disagree which occurs first of any two events that are separated by a space-like interval. In other words, any travel that is faster-than-light in any inertial frame of reference will be traveling backwards in time in any other, equally valid, frames of reference".

So we are limited to our five senses.Sight by light being the most sensitive sense in relation to time.What if a device is made that can record/sense better than sight by light.Is there such an instrument?(New telescope)What can be sensed beyond what is sensible?

Surely for the human mind to continue to evolve will bring the inevitable `discovery` of FTL stuff.Things that have happened tomorrow.No I don`t THINK so.The natural laws that we know are just that , laws , with an absolute everytime.This doesn`t mean that NEW LAWS won`t be proven up.Even existing laws are only interpretation of mind.

What greater intelligence is there than human mind?(No gods for mine)Can`t see it so it aint there.Not necessarily so!

Looking beyond our Earth boundary is great relaxation.Helps put things in perspectives of insignificance.Words can`t explain this.For what can there be outside the universe?
 
There is another deep space image that I came across and sometimes use as a background for my laptop. The original image is 2.3 MB so I won't post the original. If you search for Tadpole UCG120214 you should find it.



I wonder if any of those other galaxies contain stock markets that are easier to trade than ours...
 
Now personally I don't have a clue what he's talking about , scaling factors etc (at least scaling factors large enough for 13 and 78 to "work", one being six times the other, etc ??
Maybe someone else out there does ?

It`s all to do with metric expansion ... Don`t think of it as objects moving away from us but rather the distance between them growing

Here is one layman's analogy

 
This explains the theory of my belt perfectly...
lakemac - When you're young you pass thriough the light years,
then as you get older, you move into the heavy years

spooly - I'll have to read that post a few times, (plus a bit more research) - but if I can be flippant for a minute ,,,
at this stage I can relate only to this sentence :-
There is some possibility for confusion in this analogy
and maybe also:-
the ant that is confined to the surface of the balloon has no way of determining whether a third dimension exists or not.
one thing's for sure, when the balloon goes bang, that ole ant is gonna look like he's discovered the fourth and maybe the fifth dimension as well - "Ant", by Pablo Picasso.

PS I just have problems with scaling factors (without extra explanation).
I have a heap more homework to do - - but thanks for trying to explain it
 
Ain't that the truth... LOL. Good post 2020hindsight
 
Another blonde joke? heh heh appropriate on this thread i hope
 

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Hi folks,

..... it is so good to see traders looking at the bigger picture,
particularly when considering our solar system and how/where
it fits in our universe .....

Pythagorean schools called it the "Music of the Spheres" and
were able to prove the harmonic relationships, between the
planetary periods and the common musical scales ... and
that was some 400 years BC ... !~!

So, given that the sacred mathematics and geometry has
been around for a couple of millenium and the planets are
still orbiting at EXACTLY the same rate, then we can make
better use of the cosmic clock ... for trading purposes.

Even now, we are only just scratching the surface of this
stuff, but we should be really thankful to those pioneers
in sacred geometry, that made the concept of astrotrading,
possible ..... pioneers like Pythagoras, Sepharial, Dow-Balliett,
Johndro and Gann, too .....

happy days

paul

 
mate , I read that Pythagoras lost a BUNDLE on futures trading -
of course the ASX (Athens Stock Exchange) was only in its infancy.

PS thank the stars I'm not superstitious
(sorry m8 - I lean toward s astronomy rather than the astrology bit. )
 

So, given that the sacred mathematics and geometry has
been around for a couple of millenium and the planets are
still orbiting at EXACTLY the same rate, then we can make
better use of the cosmic clock ... for trading purposes.
Sorry to burst your balloon (to keep in with the underlying metaphor in this thread) yogi-in-oz but the orbit of planets decay in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_decay
http://jurisdynamics.blogspot.com/2007/04/new-findings-on-rapid-orbital-decay.html
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/ApJ/journal/issues/ApJ/v614n2/17372/17372.html
and so on...
 
20/20 ...try this out for size I`m in the same boat though, very hard to grasp.

We are all in the dark
 
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