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Question on margin lending

rozella said:
We made it bullmarket,

It would be a boring world if we all agreed with each other.

Cheers

Hi Rozella,
An informed and robust debate is always welcome. Your observation reminds me of a favourite quote: If everyone is thinking the same thing then someone isn’t thinking.
-General George Paton


Here's an article on margin lending.

 
Margin Loaning is great when then market is going up, and is going to go up for another few years - like 3 years ago! Now, the market is due for a rest and maybe a crash, if you think Michael S is right.

Going into a Margin Loan now is still good for the long term as ong as you don't, say, buy 100K of one dodgy specie uranium company! Diversify, diversify, unless you have insider info. In which case please PM me.

The best place for borrowed money right now is in managed funds. Buy any of Platinums and you're safe. Except their tech fund. Very ordinary. Then, use the excess equity as it grows to buy a specie uranium company.
 


123enen how do you exactly go about parking cash in your margin loan account without paying it off. Does money in a CDIA act as a sort of offset account to the margin loan. Or do you mean that you put the money into your margin loan and draw down some equity if you require access to the money.

I have spare cash which I wish to keep on hand but borrowing money at more than 8% on the margin loan when I have cash sitting in an account earning a little over 5% seems a little silly to me.

Thanks if anyone can give me some help.
 
Your paid intesrest on any positive balance..

Lets say you have $100K and using margin on average you can recieve around 2 x leverage or 66% on margin.

Your loan and subsequent interest payments wont kick in until you have $101K or more in stocks held.

If you have $120K in stocks held interest is only payable on $20K.
So if over the year of the 200K you could use you only average 160K usage of Margin lenders money then pre paying would have made the money very expensive!
 
G'day suhm,

I think 123enen is referring to place spare cash into the margin account to reduce the borrowings temporarily as the interest is now 8%+, so this would be better than receiving 5% in another account. I do this all the time, it is just like parking cash into your credit card to save some interest.

You will still have the available credit as that depends on the total LVR's of your portfolio + cash. Margin loan accounts are flexible from one day to the other.
 
Must have been typing at the same time tech/a. Just reading your post, I don't think I have ever had a positive balance to take advantage of being paid interest.....maybe Sept 11 2001 for a few days.
 
So if you can bring your interest forward to this Tax year can your sell your shares now and put it in next year Tax return!

cheers laurie

ps sorry slightly O/T
 

Suhm,
It's not just a matter of borrowing money versus using your cash. If you borrow through a margin loan you pay the 8% interest BUT you get leverage.

For example with $5000 of your cash you can buy 268 PBL shares at $18.65 each.
If you use that $5,000 through a margin loan you can buy 1072 PBL shares, which have a leverage ratio of 75%. Total value of shares is $19,993.

The bank will loan you 75% of the total value. ie. $14,993 at 8% interest -and you have contributed $5000 of your money.

So it is more than a matter of saying why should I borrow money to buy shares when I already have money. It is more a matter of using your money as collateral to borrow more money.

However IF it is simply a matter of where do I park SPARE cash then as Rozella advises - money in the margin account helps you reduce your interest bill and money in CDIA helps you earn interest. You can draw down your money either way.
 
Thanks for the quick reply rozella and tech/a, this really is quite a helpful forum.

I have been using the margin loan to add a few stocks to my portfolio and as my lvr is quite low I have been letting my interest capitalise. This has been really quite convienient as I only need to deduct the interest owing each year from my tax return. Hence I have never actually put cash in or taken it out of my margin loan account.

I went trawling around the commsec website but its a bit "....." useless when it comes to finding information except when their trying to sell you their product, all I could find was a direct debit form. So I was hoping someone would be able to help me by telling me how to go about parking my cash in the margin account.

Sadly I don't have that much extra money to enjoy a positive balance either rozella.

suhm
P.S. I'm not usually such a technological dunce.
 
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