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Each to their own I suppose, but my opinion is that with a margin loan you are trading/investing with a product that is using the security of the investment that you are purchasing, not some other unrelated asset. As we all know, that by using a margin loan, we must stay within certain ratios, otherwise we may have a margin call.....but is this not good.....someone is saying "hey, you are not doing your job, you have let your stocks fall below your stoploss, what are you going to do about it" We have the two greatest examples of all, TLS & AMP.......would we still have the original holdings if we bought on margin.....unlikely......but it is possible that we may still hold if bought with an equity loan. I keep saying it, but marginlending teaches discipline.....if you don't keep your portfolio tidy, then big brother asks you nicely to do so.An alternative to a margin loan is an equity loan. Obviously you need equity in an asset to qualify but if you do then an equity loan might be more practical for gearing investments than taking out a margin loan facility.
crackaton said:Guys seriuous question here. I have some cash in an account and I want to minimise my tax. The only way I know is to negative gear but I want to do this with shares. Is this possible? Any thoughts?
tech/a said:Ofcourse you can trade in a discretionary manner and have winning trades.
Even a string of winning trades.
I'm interested Wayne if you believe that given any set of discretionary rules you can guarentee the same,and how?
It's simple tech, and it's similar to how mech traders think they can gaurantee performance and then "discretionarily" discontinue their system if conditions become unfavourable. (You realise you become hoisted by your own petard, with statements like this, yes?)
It's called expectancy and I believe you are well aquainted with the concept... just used a slightly different way.
To be quite honest, I don't know why I bite when someone says T/a is nonsense, disc trading is nonsense, this is nonsense, that is nonsense.
When someone starts on this I'm just going to turn off because it's unmitigated BS. Pure ego talk.
The are a hundred ways to skin the market cat and all work, if the practitioner knows how... same as any business.
rozella said:A margin loan is revolving credit, basically with no limit, you don't need to re-apply for larger loans as time goes by
rozella said:G'day bullmarket,...................
...............This is all my own opinion, but until you are disciplined & have a consistant winning strategy, there is no point to any leveraging.
I can't agree that paper trading will test discipline, however, it will test the strategy.But imo one's ability to apply and stick to discipline can be tested during paper trading (the pros and cons of which have been discussed elsewhere) and while using their own non-borrowed funds.
Yes, they should be disciplined, however, the threat of a margin call will ensure that they are.I see a margin call as an enforced pseudo stop loss. If one is disciplined in keeping their losses small then imo they should be able to apply stop losses themselves without having to rely on margin calls to teach them discipline as you suggested.
rozella said:G'day bullmarket,
I can't agree that paper trading will test discipline, however, it will test the strategy.
Yes, they should be disciplined, however, the threat of a margin call will ensure that they are.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2958tech/a said:Wayne/Others.
Rather than dismiss as B/S why cant there be constructive presentation of why you think this is the case,with evidence to support your veiws?
I and I'm sure many others would be all eyes.
I did not mean to actually wait for a margin call to happen. I mean more like a "policeman on the beat" knowing that if you don't keep your portfolio tidy, the marginlender will contact you. They are helping you as well as themselves.They didn't have to rely on suffering margin calls to teach them discipline.
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