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But wouldn't you say that you can still profit against the trend?

I guess the question really boils down to "how long is a trend"

Or in other words

"How long is a piece of string?"

Can trends be cut into fractals? A large trend is made up of smaller trends each going their own seperate ways?

Or how long does the price have to move before it becomes a trend? Can a trend follow say he is following a trend off of 1 tick?

Is all trading swing trading? Anticipating a trend?

Or is it all trend following? Waiting for a trend to develop? How long do you need to wait?

Can you profit against the trend at all?

There are alot of open questions that can be answered by different people in different ways.

Here is a picture of how i imagine profiting against a "trend" could happen. But then are you just profiting off a smaller trend that is part of a larger trend?