Timmy
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Is this true? If so ... what do lemmings eat for dinner, something that doesn't require thought I imagine?
I also read today that Virgin Blue was holding a 3000 strong dinner by candlelight to do their bit last night. Only problem was, people flew in from all around Australia to attend. Hmm!
Kyoto caps total emissions. So if I buy a tonne of coal and set it on fire in the driveway then that simply means someone else, somewhere else has to pollute less. I haven't added to total emissions.I didnt actually think they were going to grab all our power and be left in the dark, I guess my point was more that 1 company uses half the power of 2 million domestic users, then really, what we people do domestically just doesnt cut it!
If there is a fixed amount that can be used under the Kyoto protocol, and BHP needs to use it for production, then what exactly, or by whom, must be given back in order for BHP to get the power it needs?
Kyoto caps total emissions. So if I buy a tonne of coal and set it on fire in the driveway then that simply means someone else, somewhere else has to pollute less. I haven't added to total emissions.
Same with motorsport, christmas lights or anything else. They're not adding to total emissions since they're going to be a set level anyway.
It's hard to be specific as to what actually happens to achieve the emissions cap - government is still working that out. But it comes down to limiting the output of some other polluting activity somewhere. So could be more public transport, greater use of renewables etc.
BHP will have to use some renewable energy just like everyone else by the way. It's the law. Only trouble is the previous government set the % rather low but no doubt that will be changed now (given Rudd's support for the issue etc).
Can't argue with that.Yep, but in our current water situation (where again we only have a small amount of water to divvy up) it is the farmers and domestic users who have had their quotas cut through drastic restrictions, while industry (and that includes coke a cola and beer production, as well as the miners and other industries) have had no restrictions at all. So once again, it will be the easy targets who shoulder the responsibility.
Energy authorities say the impact of last night's Earth Hour event was the equivalent of two large power stations being temporarily shut down
...We're still finalising the data, but we do believe that there was at least 1,000 megawatts reduction across the national grid
so..greater reliance on raw materials production with overseas processing. It gave Tas the "woodchip wonderland" and could easily end with SA etc exporting unprocessed ores.
What's wrong with it? Well 1000MW isn't even one large power station and certainly not two. Large is typically taken to mean 2000MW or thereabouts with NSW and Vic both having plants that size or larger (Qld comes close too).
Basically yes. A lot of offshoring of emissions will go on I'm sure. Kyoto etc really only works if there are no such loopholes - otherwise its effect is that of an economic treaty and not an environmental one.so
a) could that be how we are achieving Kyoto targets whether or not we are /were signed up?, and
b) why we complain about China's (emerging) carbon footprint, when they are doing the hard hards of turning mountains of ore into steel for us to import - no mess, no questions asked. Hey, we've got clean hands here - but those Chinese - such polluters!
c) I guess as long as we export uranium, we are at least letting others turn ore to steel with minimum environmental effect.
I also read today that Virgin Blue was holding a 3000 strong dinner by candlelight to do their bit last night. Only problem was, people flew in from all around Australia to attend. Hmm!
Anecdotally, there do seem to be quite a few more people out and about tonight....
Switch off, save planet message goes global
Posted 1 hour 7 minutes ago
People switched off lights around the world on Saturday, dimming buildings, hotels, restaurants and bars to show concern with global warming.
Up to 30 million people were expected to have switched off their lights for 60 minutes by the time Earth Hour - which started in Suva in Fiji and Christchurch in New Zealand - has completed its cycle westward.
More than 380 towns and cities and 3,500 businesses in 35 countries signed up for the campaign that is in its second year after it began in 2007 in Sydney alone.
Google goes dark
In a tip of its virtual hat to the event, the background of Google's home page turned to black from white on more than a dozen country sites including Google.com. A message on the site read: "We've turned the lights out. Now it's your turn."
Organisers of Earth Hour said that while switching off a light for one hour would have little impact on carbon emissions, the fact that so many people were taking part showed how much interest and concern at the climate crisis had taken hold.
Kyoto caps total emissions. So if I buy a tonne of coal and set it on fire in the driveway then that simply means someone else, somewhere else has to pollute less. I haven't added to total emissions.
Yes, it's ridiculous. Symbolic only for carbon tax believers.
Lights will be staying on in this house - as much as a protest against carbon tax as anything else.
Grandkids need to learn to question controversial theories being apparently taught as fact in schools.
On March 28th lets all turn on as many lights as possible!!! Come on everyone, it will be fun! Let's show those bleeding heart liberals that we can make a point too!!
Let's keep the electrical company's in business and possibly even create some jobs!!!!
...Now wait a minute ........ What would happen if everyone turned there lights/airconditioning etc all back on at the same time? DOH ! More coal and gas for the furnace to cover the "spike" in energy use.
Gosh, I haven't posted in over a year but feel compelled to do so on this thread. I think it is all wank. There is the Grand Prix in Melbourne this week, and all the carbon emissions that involves even just getting the cars here, then there is the race itself. We had the Clipsal Race here last week, same deal. And tonight we have the Crows versus Hawthorn football match under lights. If we were the least bit serious about cutting down on carbon emissions then none of these events would occur. But no, we have to have the Copenhagens, the Earth Hours, and then, this stupid carbon tax just so we can pat ourselves on the back and say we care. Well, we are such arrogant and stupid people to think we can stop climate change because mother nature has been changing the climate for millions of years and she is much better at it than we are.
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