RichKid
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wayneL said:There's certainly precedent for a commodities super cycle Rich.
I've been moving more and more into commodities trading, for several reasons, but one of which is the likelyhood of (if not an outright boom ) at least increased volatilty.
Another attraction is the non-correlated diversification of risk.
So yes, I'm a believer in the possibility, but don't mind whatever happens.
Cheers
RichKid said:Another article on the cycle, Access Economics seems to think we've only got another year or two in it, it quotes many forecasters but we all know how often they get it wrong. Still worth noting that there may be cycles within cycles, so we may see a dip before the next big move up, we need to re-assess this from time to time in my view to make sure we don't get too optimistic: http://www.smh.com.au/news/business...r-the-long-haul/2006/01/05/1136387573054.html
The year ahead with Alan Kohler
Has Australia's golden run ended? After three years of beating the world by investing locally, is it time for investors to leave home? No, says Alan Kohler, publisher of independent investment newsletter, Eureka Report, and commentator with the ABC and John Fairfax. The Australian market is likely to keep producing good returns and to at least be a world-matcher, if not a world-beater (apart from the all-conquering Japanese sharemarket).
Not only that, there are three booms that have only just begun: resources, aged care and the Internet.
2005 ended the big debate among professional investors as to whether it is time to start shifting money into 'international equities'.
In my view there is no reason to run away from Australia and scatter your money around the rest of the world via managed funds that incur a charge. Yes, on one hand, Australian shares have had a fabulous few years and many are not cheap. On the other hand you know the companies - you shop in their stores and you buy their products - you can buy them with Australian dollars and you get Australian dollars when you sell them. There would have to be an attractive proposition somewhere else to offset those advantages.
And anyway, the difference in prospects for Australian companies, according to analysts, is too small to get to concerned about. The average one year earnings forecast for Australian firms is currently 11.4%; for the rest of the world it is 12.8%. And that difference, small as it is, will probably be accounted for by changes in interest rates: markets have priced in steady rates in Australian in 2006 and a 0.35% average increase in rates elsewhere in the world.
In other words, there is little reason not to expect another year of Australian out-performance in 2006, because of strong earnings growth, stable interest rates and, probably, a weak currency.
The only caveat I would place on that is Japan. It is likely that the Japanese will be the best performing market in 2006 just as it was in 2005.
But where exactly should you focus your investing in Australia in 2006? Factors to keep in mind include the impact that management fees will have on potential returns and risk reduction through diversification. Here are my picks for the three booms that have only just begun:
1. Resources
Mining and energy companies are currently valued for a decline in commodity prices next year. The extent of those can be judged from a research note put out last week by UBS, in which the analyst keyed current spot prices for commodities into the firm's valuation model instead of 2006 forecasts.
As a result of doing the valuation, BHP Billiton changed from $18.61 to $43.86 (the price now is around $23.30); the valuation of Rio Tinto doubled from $51.21 to $109.51 (current price around $69); the valuation of Zinifex goes from $3.74 to $11.09 (current price around $6.80).
This indicates a key decision for an investor to make, is whether commodity prices will, indeed fall next year. Do you believe Marc Faber's (he's the legendary Hong Kong based investor) hypothesis that real commodity prices are around 200 year lows and have begun a long term uptrend, or do you think the boom is close to ending because the Chinese miracle can't last? Personally I think it can last and I'm with Marc Faber.
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nizar said:hey richKid,
can u plz post a link to this article (alan kohler), this guy seems 2 b saying everything i wanna hear!
thanks
Ann said:Hi Guys,
I don't quite know where to put this link but this seems as good a place as any.
It is a link about the Supply Side of Mineral Economics.......
http://corporate.bmo.com/publications/basicPoints/default.asp?id=6197
Enjoy......
Ann said:Hi Michael,
I found it a nice bit of light, interesting reading. I don't buy mining companies of any description so I only have a very limited interest in the commodities, other than the pleasure of drawing charts for others. A good way to offer totally unbiased charting by the way. However, being aware that there is a tremendous amount of interest in this subject, anything I find that may be of value to others, who do have a greater understanding, I try to make sure it is not missed but given a good home!
How was that for a cop out?:
nizar said:Thanks for posting that link...
great stuff... bank of montreal...
merril lynch upgrading commodities prices... MS this is only a few paragraphs maybe u should try reading it instead of asking for a summary...: lol joke...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=aE5COv6.WH7g&refer=latin_america
ann u should seriously think of getting into some miners... my picks are wpl and bhp... wpl is a bit overpriced... but bhp looks good... oil+uranium means u cant go wrong in the long term....
The price of copper, used in pipes and wires, may average $2 a pound in 2006, 21 percent higher than a previous forecast, Merrill said. The metal has averaged $4,856.60 a ton, or $2.20 a pound, this year on the London Metal Exchange.
``Demand has surprised on the upside in key Chinese and Indian markets,'' said Binns. ``This has combined with supply bottleneck at the smelters to switch our small surpluses in 2006 into small deficits.''
Zinc, Thermal Coal
Zinc, used to protect steel from corrosion, may average $1 a pound, 43 percent more than a previous forecast, Merrill said. That compares with the average price of $2154.2 a ton, or 97.7 cents a pound, this year.
The securities firm also raised its forecast for aluminum, used in cars and planes, by 5 percent to $1.05 a pound for 2006. Aluminum has averaged $2,417.50 a ton, or $1.1 a pound this year.
Merrill Lynch also raised its forecasts for annual thermal coal prices to $48 a ton, from $43 a ton, due to rising rates on the spot market. Thermal coal is used to generate electricity.
``We believe the risks are for higher prices, with coal seen as the preferred source of power in Asia and Europe and with cement production picking up in Japan,'' Binns said. ``Supply continues to experience delays, higher costs and unavailability of truck tyres.''
Zinifex Ltd. and Oxiana Ltd. are expected to be the biggest beneficiaries of higher prices, Merrill said.
The brokerage raised its earnings forecast for Zinifex, the world's second-largest zinc producer, for fiscal 2006 by 50 percent to A$743 million ($552 million).
Oxiana, an Australian copper producer, will likely post 2006 profit of A$298 million, 55 percent higher than earlier predicted, Merrill said.
Merrill Lynch also revised its profit estimates for BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto Group, the world's largest and third- largest mining companies. It raised its fiscal 2006 profit forecasts for BHP by 7 percent to $9.9 billion, and for Rio by 8 percent to $6.6 billion.
nizar said:Anthony: Which commodities do you feel hold out the best promise for further price gains - and why?
Marc: Grains are the most inexpensive commodities. They are at a 200-year low against oil. I also think that gold and silver are still very inexpensive, when compared to the US dollar and to the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
Anthony: Talking of that, Marc, how much further do you think gold, platinum and silver prices have to go in this cycle?
Marc: In your lifetime, I believe investors will be able to buy one Dow Jones Industrial Average with less than five ounces of gold. So, depending on how much money the US will print, gold will either outperform equities on the upside or decline less than equities in a bear market. My target is for gold prices to rise to between US$5,000 and US$10,000 in the next 10 years.
Anthony: Are you equally bullish on these metals, Jim?
Jim: In bull markets, nearly everything eventually goes to a new all-time high and usually multiples above the old all-time highs. Gold and silver should too. Platinum is already there, but if you adjust its old highs for inflation, it too might have further to go over the course of this long bull market. Ask me again in 2018.
William: Much depends on how the growing geopolitical dangers develop in the coming years. However, even without significant global disruptions, I have stated before that US$1,000 an ounce gold should be attainable and, if we have major problems with war or inflation, then US$2,000 to US$3,000 can be envisaged since it would only be the equivalent of US$860, the high in 1980, in today's money.
Along the same lines US$20 to US$30 silver and US$100 to US$150 oil seems possible over the next half decade. It could even be worse if we fall into a situation where nuclear weapons are being used.
kevo said:CRB is 30% of its eventual highs. Gold will be 1000 +, Silver 20+. Copper $3.00 a pound, lead 2.00 a pound. I think lead, corn and sugar are the next big movers. Time to buy MMN, OXR and Bolinski Gold is monday. Correction is over. I got a few items at http://blog.kontentkonsult.com and www.kontentkonsult.com you guys might like to read. I most bullish on SSM and PDN. The uranium bull has just begun.
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