Commercial Securities?

For those still interested, an extract from ASIC

Current Organisation Details

Name : RACINGANDSPORTS.NET PTY LTD 5E2483917
Name Start: 20/09/2010
Status : Registered
Type : AUSTRALIAN PROPRIETARY COMPANY
Class : LIMITED BY SHARES
Subclass : PROPRIETARY COMPANY


Registered Office

LUCIANO MENNITI UNIT 7 10 MILES STREET CLAYFIELD QLD 4011 5E2483917
Start Date: 20/09/2010


Future Registered Office

94 GORMANS HILL ROAD BATHURST NSW 2795 027282139
Start Date: 25/10/2010 Cease Date: 25/10/2010


Principal Place of Business

94 GORMANS HILL ROAD BATHURST NSW 2795 027282139
Start Date: 13/10/2010

Directors

FARREN HOTHAM 027282139
94 GORMANS HILL ROAD BATHURST NSW 2795
Born: 17/01/1963 - BATHURST NSW
Appointment Date: 20/09/2010



Share Structure


Note: For each class of shares issued by a proprietary company, ASIC records
the details of the top twenty members of the class (based on shareholdings).
The details of any other members holding the same number of shares as the
twentieth ranked member will also be recorded by ASIC on the database.
Where available, historical records show that a member has ceased to be
ranked amongst the top twenty members. This may, but does not necessarily
mean, that they have ceased to be a member of the company.


Class: ORD 027282139
ORDINARY SHARES
Number of Shares/Interests Issued : 95
Total Amount (if any) Paid / Taken to be Paid: 95.00
Total Amount Due and Payable : 0.00


Members

Class : ORD No. Held: 1 5E2483917
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
JOHN MURRAY ROSSITER
PO BOX 7223 EAST BRISBANE QLD 4169

Class : ORD No. Held: 5 5E2483917
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
LUCIANO MENNITI
UNIT 2 34 SUNSET BOULEVARD SURFERS PARADISE QLD 4217

Class : ORD No. Held: 5 5E2483917
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
MARIE RICHARDSON
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485

Class : ORD No. Held: 5 027282139
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
FARREN HOTHAM
94 GORMANS HILL ROAD BATHURST NSW 2795

Class : ORD No. Held: 79 027282139
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
ADRIAN MARK THOMAS
UNIT 1601 53 BAY STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485



94 Gormans Hill Rd is a farm. Probably Farrens family, as he was born there.
Marie Richardson resides at the same address as Ellis, also the address that Farren swears he never lived at.
Adrian Thomas lives in the same building, an apartment building in Tweed central.
He seems to be the major shareholder.
Not a mention of the so called "team", Farren sprooked about

Menniti,s address in Clayfield seems to be where it all started. It looks like a not so up market appartment block. His address in Surfers is pretty up market though.

Anyway guys. Thought some of you might like to know this, as you have a right to.

Cheers

Queenbury Investments (Qi) is a Commercial Securities spin-off: operating similar telemarketing business and product from Suite 501 in professional office tower in Knox Shopping Centre, Victoria. Same manager as Commercial Securities, Victoria, with an unattended serviced office in Collins Street, Melbourne, to provide credibility.

Office registered address at that of Vincent Amato, Accountants, in same South Wantirna office block as Commercial Securities' previous Victorian operations address - and opposite the current Knox Shopping Centre address.

Qi were listed on Oz Scam website.

Commercial Securities spin-off, Queenbury Investments (Qi), is advertising for telephone sales staff in local paper (Leader Press, Knox, 22 February, Classifieds) using email address of United Investments and phone number (03)9696 3608. Same phone number as Qi.

For those interested, this extract is regarding QI
Obviously another shonky setup.
As stated by Facts, the registered office ain't the big glossy one on the website.
Have a look on google streetview. Nothing special.

ASIC Current Extract as at Date: 03 Nov 2010 Time: 21:42:24
Section 1274B
This extract has been prepared by the Australian Securities
& Investments Commission from information it obtained,
by using a data processor, from the national database.

If you believe that this extract contains any error or omission
please advise the A.S.I.C. promptly.

The Information Division of the Australian Securities & Investments Commission
is certified under the Australian Quality Standard AS 3901
(International Standard ISO 9001).


114 773 803 QUEENBURY PTY LTD Document No

ACN (Australian Company Number): 114 773 803
Registered in: Victoria
Previous State Number:
Registration Date: 15/06/2005
Next Review Date: 15/06/2011
Company bound by:
Australian Business Number: 63 114 773 803


Current Organisation Details

Name : QUEENBURY PTY LTD 1E1025879
Name Start: 15/06/2005
Status : Registered
Type : AUSTRALIAN PROPRIETARY COMPANY
Class : LIMITED BY SHARES
Subclass : PROPRIETARY COMPANY


Registered Office

UNIT 8B 430 BURWOOD HIGHWAY WANTIRNA SOUTH VIC 3152 1E1025879
Start Date: 15/06/2005


Principal Place of Business

LEVEL 27 101 COLLINS STREET MELBOURNE VIC 3000 7E2842818
Start Date: 21/04/2010

Directors

TRACEY GALLAGHER 7E2842818
Born: 25/01/1977 - ECHUCA VIC
Appointment Date: 21/04/2010


Secretary

TRACEY GALLAGHER 7E2842818
Born: 25/01/1977 - ECHUCA VIC
Appointment Date: 21/04/2010



Share Structure


Note: For each class of shares issued by a proprietary company, ASIC records
the details of the top twenty members of the class (based on shareholdings).
The details of any other members holding the same number of shares as the
twentieth ranked member will also be recorded by ASIC on the database.
Where available, historical records show that a member has ceased to be
ranked amongst the top twenty members. This may, but does not necessarily
mean, that they have ceased to be a member of the company.


Class: ORD 1E1025879
ORDINARY SHARES
Number of Shares/Interests Issued : 1
Total Amount (if any) Paid / Taken to be Paid: 1.00
Total Amount Due and Payable : 0.00


Members

Class : ORD No. Held: 1 7E2842818
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
TRACEY GALLAGHER

I had always thought that Paul Ellis may have been a ficticious name, but I was wrong. He does exist. I have his photo now. Also a photo of Marie Richardson, who resides at the same address as Paul, so one could assume that they are in a relationship.
Now Paul has, supposibly, no connection with RASPC. But! Marie is a shareholder.
So one could also assume, that the very truthfull, Farren, still has an association with Paul.
Now just maybe, things were getting a bit hot for Paul. Suddenly Paul was gone and out of the smoke came Farren. But Paul is still there, just keeping a low profile, but by all accounts, still living the good life. That appartment would cost way more than any of us could afford. Then again I suppose we all donated to their great lifestyle.

These are pics of the lovely couple. Left Paul small because it was more fitting. If any of you live around the Tweed, you may run into them in the street. Apparently they frequent the Gold Coast airport. They do spend time in Sydney as well.

So Farren. Now they are no longer faceless.

Just found the reason that all RASPC's propaganda stopped on the net.

From their Twitter Page, dated back in October:

The following domain names are for sale please contact: 4sale@racingandsports.net

RACINGANDSPORTS.INFO - Reserve $2,000

RACINGANDSPORTS.NET - Reserve $10,000

RACINGANDSPORTS.ORG - Reserve $2,000

RACINGANDSPORTS.CO - Reserve $2,000

RACINGANDSPORTS.BIZ - Reserve $2,000

RACINGANDSPORTS.WS - Reserve $2,000

RACINGANDSPORTSONLINE.COM - Reserve $5,000

RACINGANDSPORTS.ASIA - Reserve $10,000

* Discount will be given, if you purchase multiple domains.

NOTE: Current clients, please contact your adviser for our new site and log in details.
* For betting services we suggest www.betfair.com
* For information services we suggest www.ozhorseracing.com
* For FREE for services we suggest www.racenet.com.au


So it appears that they are operating under another name.
Guess we did what we set out to do.
Thats cool Farren.
Now we're going to find you again, so see you soon Farren.

Well well. Just discovered that Farren is now running the Wellington Times, in Wellington, NSW.
Since December 2010.
Did he bale out?
Maybe they got rid of him.
I'll do another ASIC search and find out who's at the helm.

Zanne, I hope you have that all correct.

If you do, eeeeek!

This company and Farren's reputation seem more that shot.

Just checked ASIC.
As at 24th Feb, everything remains the same as the Oct report.
Farren is still the director and his farm in Bathurst, is still the registered place of business.
I wonder if the Wellington Times knows all this?

Funnily enough there is a "company" called Phoenix Tipping currently recruiting salespeople on the Gold Coast. A visit to their website shows that the copyright is held by "Phoenix Tipping Pty Ltd". As it turns out a review of ASIC does not reveal any company registered in this name. There is however a Mr Paul G Ellis trading as Phoenix Tipping (refer Australian Business Register ABN 86404853013).

You may also wish to have a look at www.invest434u.com

Interestingly enough Mr Ellis (who is desribed as "staff" on the 434u.com website) posted on 1 November 2010 a little promotional material for his outed buddy. You can view it here

www.434u.com/v3/group/raspc-434u/fo...ts-net-punters-club-and-the-running-of-the-1/

You will also find his buddy on 434u.com. Google 434u and hotham.

same flies on the same turd

Thanks for adding that info lingalonga1. Yes they all belong to the private networking site "434U". That was how I got there photos.
Yes folks, Ellis is back at it. PHOENIX TIPPING. Remember that name.
The website looks pretty impressive, like the others did.
It gives the usual spin, how it is a big investment company, but its listing contradicts that.



View current ABN details
ABN: 86 404 853 013

Last modified: 08 Feb 2011

ABN status From To
Active 29 Oct 2003 (current)

Entity names From To
ELLIS, PAUL G 29 Oct 2003 (current)

Entity type
Individual/Sole Trader

GST registration status Registered Cancelled
07 Feb 2011

Main business locations From To
NSW 2485 01 Feb 2011 (current)
NSW 2779 29 Oct 2003 01 Feb 2011

Trading name(s) From To
PHOENIX TIPPING 01 Feb 2011 (current),

Not much in ASIC yet, but we will monitor that with interest Paul.
I would lay odds Paul, that you and Farren still monitor this thread.
We know you are running a small newspaper Farren. Have to wait and see where you fit into the new "business".
No mention of Shane Dai or the others. Or the "Secret Trader"

They are using the net trick they used before. Flooding the net with reports to try and keep themselves in the first pages of google.
Sorry Paul. People need to know your history. The net can work for you an also against you.
PHOENIX TIPPING is a betting scheme, not and investment scheme.
Those of you applying for positions with this company. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
It may be called PHOENIX TIPPING now, but it is still COMMERCIAL SECURITIES.

Hi Zanne40

I like your work.

Perhaps we shouldn't overlook the fact that Mr Ellis is the director / secretary of 434u.

Any new punters that have been contacted by PHOENIX TIPPING, (or one of the other gambling schemes) and have found this thread, while researching them.
Check this site out.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/27/2610216.htm

This pretty much explains all about these scams and how they don't work.

I recently received a cold call from Queenbury Investments. Short statement of facts and then my interpretation.

My experience:
My initial google searches bought up a forum discussion QI's relationship with previous questionable companies and alleged scams. When QI rang again I said I wasn't interested, was cautious about this being a real legitimate program and didn't really have the money. The guy on the phone then offered a low $1000 entry offer and gave me a user id and password to verify the trades they do at a website kingofbetting.com The guy on the phone wanted to use this website as proof that real trades take place. Furthermore, I asked about their place of trading in Melbourne. He initially said yes this is where they operate from. I asked if I walked down would I be able to meet anyone and see the place, he said no because they have legal documents and lots of money in there. Lastly, a second google search did not bring up any websites that showed QI in a negative light - many strange blog-like approval stories for QI though. At the bottom of the google search page it stated that "In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s)..".

My interpretation:
Of all the grey possibilities, when he said "I shouldn't be doing this but I'll give you a login + password at kingofbetting.com" I was pretty certain he'd shown his hand. This website has no contact details, authentication, or government registration of any sort at all. Yet this was offered as proof of a completely separate and independent website of their legitimate nature. The other links at kingofbetting redirect you to other websites.

Make up your own decision. Mine (after being burnt in the past by similarly legit looking places) is to totally avoid them. My previous experience and search results 'disappearing' is why I wanted to get this on a forum somewhere for other people to read.

Nevyn said:

Thank you for the advice contained within this forum. I myself received a cold call a couple of weeks ago from Queenbury Investments. From the posts here the approach offered by QI sounds exactly like the others listed here. Even got myself a lovely, very well done brochure showing how I could make around $74,000 over 10 months from a $10,000 investment. I must admit that I foolishly thought this could have been a genuine offer but after talking it over with a friend came to the conclusion that it seemed to good to be true, and thus thought it wise to do a bit of research first.

I even received a phone call from the manager yesterday to confirm my interest. When I told him I could not afford the $10,000 he told me I could start for as little as $1,000. I told him that I would need a few weeks to get that together. He then told me that for them to manage this for three years there would be a fee of $9.400. There was no mention of this in the brochure. Told him I wouldn't be able to come up with this sort of money that quickly. He told me they were going public and there were only some 200 places available. When I said I would have to decline he said he could do me a deal and get me in for $5,500 and said that with tax time coming up it would be a good time for me to consider investing my refund.

So after a lot of searching the web and not finding much in the way of helpful stuff one way or the other I found this site. I checked Queenbury Investments out on ASIC and while I could find their name I couldn't find a record of their acn number. I finally managed to locate them and their acn number and the amusing thing is that their brochure, for all it's professional look is missing a number in their acn.

Anyway thank you to all the people who have posted on here regarding this horse betting scheme. Thank you for saving me my money.

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Great post Aztroboy. Its good to see the message is getting out there. Thats what we're all about now.

I got cold called a few days ago, from a mob called SECURED TRADING.
I had not heard of them, but looks like they've been operating for a few years.
As soon as the caller realised that I was not another gullable prospect, he quickly hung up.
Research shows that it is the same model used by Paul Ellis's Phoenix Tipping/RASPC/CS.
Every ripoff merchant in the country, seems to be in on it.

This one is fronted by another lone bandit, one ADAM TAYLOR.
I say fronted because one thing these scams have in common, is that they regularly change company details, just as COMMERCIAL SECURITIES has been doing.
They also are involved in IT, which explains the glossy websites.

SECURED TRADING is using the ABN of the company below.

ASIC Current Extract as at Date: 09 Apr 2011 Time: 15:25:16
Section 1274B
This extract has been prepared by the Australian Securities
& Investments Commission from information it obtained,
by using a data processor, from the national database.

If you believe that this extract contains any error or omission
please advise the A.S.I.C. promptly.

The Information Division of the Australian Securities & Investments Commission
is certified under the Australian Quality Standard AS 3901
(International Standard ISO 9001).


134 568 979 INTERNATIONAL ANALYSIS SOFTWARE PTY LTD Document No

ACN (Australian Company Number): 134 568 979
Registered in: Queensland
Previous State Number:
Registration Date: 10/12/2008
Next Review Date: 10/12/2011
Company bound by:
Australian Business Number: 36 134 568 979


Current Organisation Details

Name : INTERNATIONAL ANALYSIS SOFTWARE PTY LTD 5E2023314
Name Start: 10/12/2008
Status : Registered
Type : AUSTRALIAN PROPRIETARY COMPANY
Class : LIMITED BY SHARES
Subclass : PROPRIETARY COMPANY


Registered Office

UNIT SUTIE12 5-18 KILROE STREET MILTON QLD 4064 7E2810369
Start Date: 13/04/2010


Principal Place of Business

UNIT SUTIE12 5-18 KILROE STREET MILTON QLD 4064 7E2810369
Start Date: 15/03/2010

Directors

ADAM TAYLOR 7E2810369
UNIT 1241 56 SCARBOROUGH STREET SOUTHPORT QLD 4215
Born: 03/05/1985 - ELIZABETH SA
Appointment Date: 15/03/2010


Secretary

ADAM TAYLOR 7E2810369
UNIT 1241 56 SCARBOROUGH STREET SOUTHPORT QLD 4215
Born: 03/05/1985 - ELIZABETH SA
Appointment Date: 15/03/2010



Share Structure


Note: For each class of shares issued by a proprietary company, ASIC records
the details of the top twenty members of the class (based on shareholdings).
The details of any other members holding the same number of shares as the
twentieth ranked member will also be recorded by ASIC on the database.
Where available, historical records show that a member has ceased to be
ranked amongst the top twenty members. This may, but does not necessarily
mean, that they have ceased to be a member of the company.


Class: ORD 5E2023314
ORDINARY SHARES
Number of Shares/Interests Issued : 2
Total Amount (if any) Paid / Taken to be Paid: 2.00
Total Amount Due and Payable : 0.00


Members

Class : ORD No. Held: 2 7E2810369
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
ADAM TAYLOR
UNIT 1241 56 SCARBOROUGH STREET SOUTHPORT QLD 4215



Documents Received

Form Type Date Received Date Processed No. Pages Effective Date


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

484 06/04/2010 06/04/2010 3 06/04/2010 7E2810369
484 Change to Company Details
484B Change of Registered Address
484C Change of Principal Place of Business (Address)
484E Appointment or Cessation of a Company Officeholder
484N Changes to (Members) Share Holdings

484 30/11/2009 30/11/2009 3 30/11/2009 7E2572864
484 Change to Company Details
484E Appointment or Cessation of a Company Officeholder
484N Changes to (Members) Share Holdings

484 21/03/2009 21/03/2009 2 21/03/2009 7E2096893
484 Change to Company Details
484B Change of Registered Address
484C Change of Principal Place of Business (Address)

201 10/12/2008 10/12/2008 3 10/12/2008 5E2023314
201C Application For Registration as a Proprietary Company

Note: Where the expression "Unknown" is shown, the precise date
may be available from records taken over on 1 january 1991 and
held by the ASIC in paper or microfiche.


Contact Address for ASIC use only
---------------------------------
Section 146A of the Corporations Act 2001 states:'A contact address is the address to which communications and notices are sent from ASIC to the company.'

PO BOX 46 ETTALONG BEACH NSW 2257
Start Date: 21/03/2009


*** End of Extract ***

Note the SECURED TRADING passes itself off as a large business, but this one is another 2 dollar company, a trait they all have.
Had a look on street view and like PAUL ELLIS, ADAM TAYLOR lives in a really upmarket apartment building. It's a very lucrative business, as long as they can get people to part with their hard earned.

I still have this nagging feeling that there are some MR BIGS, in the background, pulling the strings. We all know some of the high profile names that keep popping up, where scamming is concerned.

Like to hear from any telemarlketers that have been duped into working for one of these operators.

Also have to mention that SECURED TRADING, had a post removed from the OZRIPOFF site, so they will try the same here.

Farren Hotham seems to have gone really quiet down there on his little Newspaper, but we'll keep an eye on him. Hope the papers going ok Farren. Bit more respectable line of work.

COMMERCIAL SECURITIES is back.
In checking out the PHOENIX TIPPING ABN, I am led back to CS
PHOENIX TIPPING is the new trading name, since the demise of RASPC.
FARREN HOTHAM is no longer the director.
You guessed it.
Our old friend PAUL G ELLIS, is once again the director and sole trader.
Below is the new status of COMMERCIAL SECURITIES.

064 042 048 COMMERCIAL SECURITIES PTY LTD Document No

ACN (Australian Company Number): 064 042 048
Registered in: Queensland
Previous State Number:
Registration Date: 23/03/1994
Next Review Date: 23/03/2012
Company bound by:
Australian Business Number: 18 064 042 048


Current Organisation Details

Name : COMMERCIAL SECURITIES PTY LTD 7E2257847
Name Start: 22/06/2009
Status : Registered
Type : AUSTRALIAN PROPRIETARY COMPANY
Class : LIMITED BY SHARES
Subclass : PROPRIETARY COMPANY


Registered Office

UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485 027309019
Start Date: 18/11/2010


Principal Place of Business

LEVEL 21 300 QUEEN STREET BRISBANE QLD 4000 7E2258874
Start Date: 22/06/2009

Directors

PAUL GRAEME ELLIS 1F0287493
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485
Born: 19/11/1971 - SYDNEY NSW
Appointment Date: 19/07/2010


Secretary

PAUL GRAEME ELLIS 1F0287493
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485
Born: 19/11/1971 - SYDNEY NSW
Appointment Date: 19/07/2010



Share Structure


Note: For each class of shares issued by a proprietary company, ASIC records
the details of the top twenty members of the class (based on shareholdings).
The details of any other members holding the same number of shares as the
twentieth ranked member will also be recorded by ASIC on the database.
Where available, historical records show that a member has ceased to be
ranked amongst the top twenty members. This may, but does not necessarily
mean, that they have ceased to be a member of the company.


Class: ORD 06404204F
ORDINARY (AR 1995)
Number of Shares/Interests Issued : 6
Total Amount (if any) Paid / Taken to be Paid: 6.00
Total Amount Due and Payable : 0.00


Members

Class : ORD No. Held: 6 027309019
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
PAUL GRAEME ELLIS
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485


Note also that the Brisbane place of business, comes up as:
Amg Universal Super
Address: Level 21 300 Queen St, Brisbane, QLD, 4000

My god Paul. You are more stupid than Farren.

well thank you so much everyone for putting this info on site . I have been called and given the same spiel as so many here you have we got a deal for you.
all sounded legit with some half baked answers to serious questionsBUT the deal was just too good to be true so i spent afew hrs searching and BINGO.
this thread may well have saved me 10k thank you everyone well done
One wonders what sort of people these folk are that could rip you off without a problem or a care at all . they really are low life scum.
well queenbury will not be getting any of my money thanks to this forum

zanne40 said:

COMMERCIAL SECURITIES is back.
In checking out the PHOENIX TIPPING ABN, I am led back to CS
PHOENIX TIPPING is the new trading name, since the demise of RASPC.
FARREN HOTHAM is no longer the director.
You guessed it.
Our old friend PAUL G ELLIS, is once again the director and sole trader.
Below is the new status of COMMERCIAL SECURITIES.

064 042 048 COMMERCIAL SECURITIES PTY LTD Document No

ACN (Australian Company Number): 064 042 048
Registered in: Queensland
Previous State Number:
Registration Date: 23/03/1994
Next Review Date: 23/03/2012
Company bound by:
Australian Business Number: 18 064 042 048


Current Organisation Details

Name : COMMERCIAL SECURITIES PTY LTD 7E2257847
Name Start: 22/06/2009
Status : Registered
Type : AUSTRALIAN PROPRIETARY COMPANY
Class : LIMITED BY SHARES
Subclass : PROPRIETARY COMPANY


Registered Office

UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485 027309019
Start Date: 18/11/2010


Principal Place of Business

LEVEL 21 300 QUEEN STREET BRISBANE QLD 4000 7E2258874
Start Date: 22/06/2009

Directors

PAUL GRAEME ELLIS 1F0287493
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485
Born: 19/11/1971 - SYDNEY NSW
Appointment Date: 19/07/2010


Secretary

PAUL GRAEME ELLIS 1F0287493
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485
Born: 19/11/1971 - SYDNEY NSW
Appointment Date: 19/07/2010



Share Structure


Note: For each class of shares issued by a proprietary company, ASIC records
the details of the top twenty members of the class (based on shareholdings).
The details of any other members holding the same number of shares as the
twentieth ranked member will also be recorded by ASIC on the database.
Where available, historical records show that a member has ceased to be
ranked amongst the top twenty members. This may, but does not necessarily
mean, that they have ceased to be a member of the company.


Class: ORD 06404204F
ORDINARY (AR 1995)
Number of Shares/Interests Issued : 6
Total Amount (if any) Paid / Taken to be Paid: 6.00
Total Amount Due and Payable : 0.00


Members

Class : ORD No. Held: 6 027309019
Beneficially Held: YES Paid : FULLY
PAUL GRAEME ELLIS
UNIT 2134 18-20 STUART STREET TWEED HEADS NSW 2485


Note also that the Brisbane place of business, comes up as:
Amg Universal Super
Address: Level 21 300 Queen St, Brisbane, QLD, 4000

My god Paul. You are more stupid than Farren.

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Just had a phone call from a company that had been given my phone number because i was one of about 2000 people who had been burnt by commercial securities, Who are offering a "RESCUE PACKAGE" I thought this sounds very similar to something i have heard before, all i have to do is outlay $100 and they will set up a trading account, But it gets better, when questioned why, i got no real good answer, but was told that there system worked and i would make money, Now for the killer SHANE DYE is one of their traders and i would be flown to Melbourne to met him and the other traders, plus the CEO of the company would Skype me for a 1 on 1 chat. Unfortunately the young lady on the phone had never heard of Farren Hotham or Paul Ellis, so i suggested she look up scum in the dictionary and their photo's would be there and hung up

Yes 308c. She rang me today. New Player. INVEST434U. Main shareholder is a deregistered company. Director Is a Bookie. Will post details later.
Same deal as you. She rang me on a mobile and of course I saved it.
She didn't know Farren or Paul Ellis. 434U is the social networking site run by Ellis of which Farren is also a member. You can only join if you are nominated by a member.
They are interested in getting our money back. Like a bookie does that sort of thing.
Where did she get my name? She wasn't sure. Strangely the director stays in a high rise, not far from Ellis, in Tweed Heads. Possible they swap notes. What about that Paul.
He has a rescue package like you had. And Farren had. Scum sort of hangs round the sewer, huh?
Plan to ring her back and let her know what shes involved in. I doubt she knows. Just happy to have a job.

Regrettably I am one of the suckers who invested cash ($5,800 in September 2009 ) with these fraudsters, and am so embarrassed by my gullibility I haven't had the balls to tell anyone I know. As already stated, it is a complete sham, and unsurprising that after receiving numerous calls from them before transferring cash that its impossible to get through to anyone at the office afterwards. I've often wondered if it's the same guy putting on different accents and voices relating to the people i've managed to speak to there, as I can't beleive so many people would be willing participants in such a fraud.

There's no point referring them to ASIC as they don't operate on stock markets or the like, and my request to the Qld Office of Fair Trading was met with a pamphlet outlining the perils of investing with sports betting agencies.

Has anyone had any luck with legal action? I'd really like to take them to the small claims tribunal but think it would be a complete waste of time and money.