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Bicycle Helmets Kill

More folk would buy bicycles and ride them if this stupid law were removed.

Bicycle helmets kill by impacting on the fitness of folk such as I, who are put off riding bicycles by these stupid helmets.

gg

+1 I feel exactly the same.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/s...ties-forget-about-helmets.html?pagewanted=all
To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL - Published: 29 September 2012

 
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I think if you ride a bicycle on the roads these days, or even a motor bike for that matter, you have a death wish. Helmets will prevent serious head injury in a lot of cases, but if they're that worried about health why dont they ban cigarettes ?

I agree with Mr Burns yeah why they don't ban cigarettes or alcohol ? Ridding drunk can also be a cause of death
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/s...ties-forget-about-helmets.html?pagewanted=all
To Encourage Biking, Cities Lose the Helmets
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL - Published: 29 September 2012
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I agree with Mr Burns yeah why they don't ban cigarettes or alcohol ? Ridding drunk can also be a cause of death

Thanks everyone for supporting riding bikes without bicycle helmets.

gg
 
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Been their done that! Yeah, but you can't lament the law-makers coming up with wimp-laws to have people protect their heads. Blame the idiots who sue at the drop of a hat when things go wrong. Even if you're the only one who would could possibly suffer, you can't decided on your own risks and take them. But we can't blame the pollies for that one, that's strictly with the personal injury lawyers and the delicate petals who do something stupid, then want to blame someone else.

I'm sure you'd have been happy with (or at least accepting of) your fate if you flew off your bike and cracked your skull. Many might be in the same boat. But a good many more will be ready to blame someone else and too gutless to own their bad luck and admit fault. That's the problem right there.
 
The interests of gentle bicycle riders such as I have been severely damaged by increasing reports of " Lycra Boys " abusing and pursuing motorists.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/motorist-claims-he-was-threatened-by-group-of-cyclists-during-road-rage-incident-in-west-end/story-e6freoof-1226577414306

Mr Hull said the group, which he called the "Lycra boys", stopped across the road from his workshop and started making threats against him and his business. Ignoring the group's calls to come across the road, Mr Hull remained in his repair shop.


The only way to manage roid addled Lycra cyclists is to remove the quasi-fascist law on bicycle helmets and encourage the masses to ride bicycles, as is done in most European countries.

gg
 
gg, maybe a further impost on cyclists to upset you: poll in Qld suggests 53% think cyclists should have to be licensed.
 
gg, maybe a further impost on cyclists to upset you: poll in Qld suggests 53% think cyclists should have to be licensed.

Great idea I think. As a cyclist and driver of a 4WD I will be able to drive or ride my bike in any lane at any speed for an annual cost of about $10 based on the formula for calculating rego fees.

I suppose that I may need to get a boat licence for my wave board too while we are going down that path.
 
Great idea I think. As a cyclist and driver of a 4WD I will be able to drive or ride my bike in any lane at any speed for an annual cost of about $10 based on the formula for calculating rego fees.

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Yes it even includes a funeral plan which will come in handy
 
I think the law is silly.

Maybe kids should have to wear helmets, but Adults should be able to make their own choice whether to wear a helmet or not.
 
Yes it even includes a funeral plan which will come in handy

Probably a good inclusion actually.

"Me an Shazza wus drivin in the ute an havin a coupla tinnys of beam an coke while I was yakkin to Bazza on the phone then nekminnit ****in goose on a bike wus in our way an bang!"
 
Buy this book.

An excellent critique of paternalism and the nanny state.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/mar/07/its-your-own-good/?pagination=false

A quote from John Stuart Mill's " On Liberty "


gg
 
I have again been targetted by the law, for not wearing a bicycle helmet whilst sachaying along Bundock St. in Townsville to an important soiree.

It may come before the courts.

I note that even the Guardian UK, a left wing union and public service rag is now coming out against the usefulness of bicycle helmets.

Helmets kill.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/15/cycling-helmet-law-bmj-study-hospitals?CMP=twt_gu


gg
 
Whether it is law or not, you would be pretty stupid not to wear a helmet. A close friend and colleague of mine has suffered through traumatic brain injury due to a hockey incident and it is not something you want to go through.

I think the law is in place to try and reduce the incidences of head injuries and the associated cost. Cost of helmet $25-$250, cost of traumatic brain injury to medicare 20-250K (just my back of envelope figures), cost to nation would be much higher.

So if the law is repelled, I would suggest that any one who is injured not wearing a helmet should then have to look after themselves.

Open question to any of the posters. Anyone ride road/racer cycles with toe clips/ clipless pedals?
 

There is no evidence, and I repeat no evidence that wearing a bicycle helmet improves the health of a population, rather it dimishes the health by discouraging cycling.

I know less about hockey than I do about ludo, so cannot comment.

To get back to your point.

You are extrapolating an individual experience to the general.

A mate of yours was injured and tragically suffered a brain injury playing hockey. This does not necessarily mean that wearing helmets improves the prevalence of brain injury playing hockey.

gg
 


I was providing an example of someone I knew who has suffered a TBI which was similar to what a cyclist might suffer if they hit the pavement head first. I was not extrapolating from that.

The articles you point to are biased in that there is no absolute baseline. You can't assume everyone wasn't wearing a helmet before and everyone wore a helmet after the law came into force. Also they were looking at incidence of head injury and not severity.

There is ample evidence showing that a helmet that is fit for purpose reduces your chances of severe brain injury. Most of these are mechanical analysis of impact etc and therefore will be challenged.

I therefore provide a link to an article ( and in it to a scientific article in the medical journal of Australia) looking at the severity of head injuries in cyclists and motor cyclists presenting to the emergency department at a hospital in Sydney. They found a 5 times increased likelihood of severe brain injuries in cyclists without helmets with each new case of TBI costing Australia $4.5 million.

http://theconversation.com/bike-helmets-an-emergency-doctors-perspective-13935
 
There is no evidence, and I repeat no evidence that wearing a bicycle helmet improves the health of a population, rather it dimishes the health by discouraging cycling.

This seems to me to be a situation where both of you are right. At a population level there is no improvement in overall health as it discourages some if not many being more active. At an individual level it reduces the risk of serious injury to that person.

But then as an individual who likes cycling, wouldn't you be better off wearing a helmet, if wearing a helmet is not in your case going to discourage you from cycling. You get the increased activity and reduce your risk of injury at the same time.

BTW, I am against helmets being compulsory, but I rarely cycle.
 

Recent evidence based article make yours redundant.

That study is so full of holes, it is recognised as being redundant.

I could as well argue that if everyone from birth to old age on waking wore a helmet that the incidence of head injuries would decrease.

And for the fecund, that the wearing of a helmet on retiring for a naughtie would obviate that rare bedhead knock leading to an ABI. ( Acquired brain injury )

The study you quote is a point in time and lacks validity and any likelihood ratios.

I prefer the wind in my hair on a bicycle and the scent of a Marlboro.

gg
 

Personally, helmets discouraging cycling is a mute point. There should be no reason to be discouraged from cycling just because you have to wear a helmet. As pointed out in the article, general safety, lack of bike paths are more of a disincentive.

I stopped riding for a long time due to the later reasons.
 
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