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Australian Job Losses

Aren't there millions of factories in China?

I would say this number equates to less than 1%.

Yes, there are millions of factories in China, but there will tens of thousands more closing in the 6 months, however can anyone comprehend 67,500 factories shutting in a couple of months? Isn't that amazing?
 
Aren't there millions of factories in China?

I would say this number equates to less than 1%.

I seriously doubt that .....

I read half of all the toy factories are closed for a start ....

Dont underestimate how HUGE this downturn is, just because we arnt seeing it too bad in our real economy YET.
 
Yes, there are millions of factories in China, but there will tens of thousands more closing in the 6 months, however can anyone comprehend 67,500 factories shutting in a couple of months? Isn't that amazing?

Eh? Really? 1.3 billion people, assume that millions means at least 2,000,000...that suggests one factory per 650 inhabitants. Sounds like an over-estimation doesn't it?
 
Eh? Really? 1.3 billion people, assume that millions means at least 2,000,000...that suggests one factory per 650 inhabitants. Sounds like an over-estimation doesn't it?

67,500 factories have closed in China over the first half of this year, according to statistics released by the Chinese Communist Party.

That means that in China today, more than 11,000 factories are being shutdown every month.

The massive and rapid closure of factories, especially in the Pearl River Delta area of Southern Guangdong province, have left factory workers irate and seething. The emotion is spilling out into the open with increasing protests.

The shutdown of the factories led to workers taking to the streets to protest, demanding back pay that had not been issued to them. The regime has often used force to suppress these protests and thrown workers into prison.

The global economic recession had caused a steep decline in the Chinese export market, the backbone of many factories that produce cheap goods for the international market.

Maybe it is an overstatement on my behalf, but I'm not far off.....
 
Eh? Really? 1.3 billion people, assume that millions means at least 2,000,000...that suggests one factory per 650 inhabitants. Sounds like an over-estimation doesn't it?

I guess it all comes down to the definition of a 'factory'.

If you follow your logic, Australia has 22m inhabitants - apply the ratio of 650:1 and you get 33,846 factories. Now if you include small operators (say 1-5 people workshops, small engineering firms, food processors etc) then 34,000 odd factories sounds about right to me.

Then again China has a large rural population that is unlikely to be working in industrial complexes so 2m odd 'factories' might not seem right.

Anyway the point being that 67,000 factories (with a further 30,000 forecast in the next 6 months), whilst a staggeringly large number by Australia standards, needs to be taken in the conext of the total population of factories.

Anyone with an 'official' number for factories in China (and Australia for that matter).

PS: Japanese steel makers have started closing down blast furnaces, which is a measure of the drop in steel orders as it is very rare for furnaces to be closed. Ugly, ugly six months ahead.
 
ANZ Bank increases the number of job cuts to 800.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/06/2439543.htm

Banks skim a few percent off their in and out goings. So if the banks continue to cut jobs what is the real effect on the economy. If someone borrowed $60,000 for a home extension the bank’s return (In minus outgoings) per annum is minimal compared to the 60,000 spent on materials and tradesman.



On a side note from the US:
America loses 1.9 million jobs in 11 months (1/4 in November of 533,000)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/us_nov_2008_jobs_report/

and Canada loses 70,600 jobs in a month, most since '82
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe.../jobs_numbers_081205/20081205?hub=CTVNewsAt11
 

If you look at the number of people on the disability pension it looks like labor used it to hide the number of people unemployed during the '80's and early '90's. Howard took some rather timid steps to wind it back but eventually gave up and put it in the too hard basket. Be interesting to see if there is a big spike in the number of people on the disability pension in the next few years.
 

Both Liberal and Labor have both manipulated the unemployment numbers to their own benefit. Howard was the king of statistical deception, and restricted FOI to avoid scrutiny.
 
RIO to slash 14,000 Jobs

Mining giant cuts 14,000 jobs

F AUSTRALIA needed any further evidence the resources boom has shuddered to a halt, it came yesterday in the announcement the world's second biggest miner, Rio Tinto, would lay off 14,000 workers.

Rio Tinto refused to indicate how many of its 17,000 full-time staff and several thousand contractors in Australia would be affected by the cuts. It employs about 110,000 workers and contractors globally.

http://business.smh.com.au/business/mining-giant-cuts-14000-jobs-20081210-6vu1.html

I wonder how many of those will be in Australia, this looks like it starting to get serious.
 
Re: RIO to slash 14,000 Jobs


Don't worry. I'm sure the GuvMint will use some creative statistical accounting to swallow up any job losses with nary a *burp*.

In theory, the GuvMint could declare NO-ONE in Oz is unemployed if they defined anyone who regularly fills out Newstart Forms as being "temporarily employed in office work" (since even a tiny amount of temp work means you don't get counted in the unemployment stats).

Actually, I'm surprised they haven't already done that!
 
Re: RIO to slash 14,000 Jobs


They could do what the Uk does and put everyone on disability pension.
 
Re: RIO to slash 14,000 Jobs

Silly sausages! That actually costs money! Why not simply tell a lie?

Because it was a Tory idea. It took the Labour Party to figure out that 90% of people believe any BS you tell them.
 
Seems the job losses are stacking up ...


cont ....

http://business.smh.com.au/business/finance-leads-the-national-job-losses-20081221-72za.html
 

Those "modest" retail job losses could well become "shocking" after the Xmas & New Year cheer/hangover has worn off and retail sales hit the wall (especially with most imports, especially electrical goods, expected to rocket up 20-30% with post Xmas re-stocking at current exchange rate)

Then come the *groan* Dec Qtr company reports which will probably be some of the worst in Australian corporate history. I expect more massive layoffs after that flurry of paper and ducking for cover as well.

Oh well, don't worry, be happy. It's Xmas

May your leg grow twice as big and strong!!
:santa:
 
Oz Unemployment

This does not bode well. No matter how Krudd 'n Co. might want to spin up the "offset of part-time employment".

It is patently a ridiculous situation where the Gummint will spin lies, DAMNED LIES about the nett "total un-employment" only growing by 0.1% - when we all know that 1 part-time job (of as little as 2 hours per week) DOES NOT = 1 Full Time job of up to 50 hrs or more per week!

It's time for the Gummint to scrap the current measurement system. The Lil' OZZiEcon is CLEARLY in BIGGER trouble than they want to let on...


Full article here - http://business.theage.com.au/business/massive-drop-in-fulltime-jobs-20090115-7hdk.html
 
 
Both Liberal and Labor have both manipulated the unemployment numbers to their own benefit. Howard was the king of statistical deception, and restricted FOI to avoid scrutiny.

Agreed. Whats popular and reported is what counts..but not on meal tables!
 
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