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Ah ok but coudln't you just look at total liabilities to look at the long term? Also I don't see the relation for the d/e ratio the stock holders equity part, what does the money that the stock investors put into the business matter for debt? Or is it an indicator how much debt is been stacking up compared to how much money poured in? If that's the case wouldn't we just use return on equity?
Its interesting to see the number of decisions that turned out well, not because of my research and analytical skills, but due to pure luck! Its also sobering to re-visit the decisions that had poor outcomes and be honest about the reasons! Like much in life its easy to fall into the trap my dear old Dad used to describe this way, "Son, there are only two outcomes in life, good management and bad luck."
Also I don't see the relation for the d/e ratio the stock holders equity part, what does the money that the stock investors put into the business matter for debt? Or is it an indicator how much debt is been stacking up compared to how much money poured in? If that's the case wouldn't we just use return on equity?
"Son, there are only two outcomes in life, good management and bad luck."
Ok thanks, I had a important question that's always on my mind I never saw the point of ratios like debt to equity ratio is total liabilities divided by stock holder equity. But I could of sworn that is was total assets - total liabilities anyways, couldn't I just look at total liabilities and stock holder equity seperatly? I don't see the difference.
...My best quick answer (all I can do right now) to what you're asking there (i.e. why does the 'd' relate to the 'e' in the ratio)...it's about leverage. Think of it the same as how much debt to the equity you have in your home.
If you have $500k equity and a $500k mortgage, you are less levered than if you had, say, $100k equity and a $900k mortgage.
I'm not suggesting whether or not it is an important ratio, by the way, just trying to help you understand it. It's certainly a common ratio.
Cheers
Steve
Different people, and different vendors, may define these debt and leverage ratio differently. Here's how I understand it.
Debt I define as the interest-bearing loans and borrowings the company owe - to banks and lenders who will charge interest.
Liabilities, such as payables the company owe for goods received etc., that's technically also a debt, or a liability... but they're free money so depends on other factors, it's not much of a problem if the company can delay those payment... they get to use leverage for free.
So you got to separate what debt to equity ratio mean...
But in general, if debt is taken as both the loans and the non-interest component, divide by equity to get that ratio... it's a quick measure of the company's risk and ability to borrow.
Risk in terms of it owing too much to the banks and lenders, and any failed repayment mean bankruptcy. Borrowing capacity in that if the company have more equity than debt, they can generally go and refiance or finance/borrow to expand or when times are tough.
But if they have too much debt already, and the tough times come - either have to raise more equity, which dilutes existing shareholder value; or borrow at very high cost; or not able to borrow at all and go bankrupt.
The other risk is that to the lenders and the suppliers/employees etc.
If the company have high debt and liability, say too much payables... and there's very little equity in its balance sheet. The supplier and lenders will start to wonder why they are taking all the risk and not already own the business. So the company would either raise more equity to expand, safely still... or lenders will start to demand faster repayments or stop lending.
what's a safe and balanced ratio depends on the business and the industry; also depends on that liability or real interest bearing debt discussed.
you don't want a business with a lazy balance sheet; don't want one with too much debt that any uptick in rates will eat a lot into the profit that you share in, or send the company bankrupt...
So it depends. There are certain guidelines for different industry.
Accounting is just the beginning of understanding the business. You really got to really know the business to put the accounting numbers in context, else it can be quite misleading.
lmao man I just realized the debt to equity ratio had the word "equity" in it omg I feel stupid haha. Like I knew it when I read but I didn't see the correlation I just might be on another planet lol.
2. Go on the company's website and find out as much as the possible so I know the company what it does its operations its products etc, well enough so when someone asks me for example "what does Mcdonalds do" I can give them a strong straight forward answer.
What does Mcdonalds do?
The simple answer doesn't always give you a good insight into how a company will operate as a sound investment.
The average person in the street would not be able to answer that question
Part of the answer is that different types of businesses need different approaches for analysis and different metrics become more or less relevant. Sometimes you may choose a metric to concentrate on for comparison of businesses in the same sector, but if you are comparing companies in different sectors you may choose a different metric.
IMO good analysis and research skills can't be developed just by understanding and choosing a set of metrics or formulas to enter data into. Its also something that doesnt have a defined endpoint - as in if you learn a, b & c you will be a successful and good investor. I believe its a constant learning, the more you read and discuss the more you learn, every company you research and analyse adds to your understanding of the process, and finally every investment you make can end up teaching you more about the process, learning how and why, what happened.
I also run a decision journal to record all my research, deliberations, and actions with predictions for the outcomes. Then I revise it regularly and reflect on my initial decision, the process that led to it and the outcomes and reasons for the outcomes.
Its interesting to see the number of decisions that turned out well, not because of my research and analytical skills, but due to pure luck! Its also sobering to re-visit the decisions that had poor outcomes and be honest about the reasons! Like much in life its easy to fall into the trap my dear old Dad used to describe this way, "Son, there are only two outcomes in life, good management and bad luck."
What does Mcdonalds do?
The simple answer doesn't always give you a good insight into how a company will operate as a sound investment.
The average person in the street would not be able to answer that question
They soon will.
lmao man I just realized the debt to equity ratio had the word "equity" in it omg I feel stupid haha. Like I knew it when I read but I didn't see the correlation I just might be on another planet lol.
The reason I said that because Peter lynch once said if you can't describe what a business does in a minute or less you should not own that business. I believe other famous investors said this to.
The book it's based on - Behind the Arches - is also a great read.
An easier way to that approach would be to first screen the entire ASX for stocks which meet your financial criteria.
For example, you might want (picking random things here just for example and not a recommendation) to find only those stocks which:
Pay dividends at a rate exceeding x% return per annum
Have a P/E under whatever amount
Have a trend of increasing earnings over the past x years
...
Accounting equation is Assets = Debt + Equity.
So whether you use debt/equity or debt/assets, it's basically the same thing. They just give you a different perspective. ie. debt as a percent/ratio of equity; or debt as a percent of total assets.
I am not saying you shouldn't understand the business, and be able to describe what it does, you definitely need to be able to do that.
What I am trying to get to is that the simple answer that most people go to eg "Mcdonalds sells hamburgers" doesn't really describe their business model well.
You have to be able to understand exactly how a business generates its revenues, where and how those revenues come about, their profit margins, their competitors, and when they make a profit what do they do with it, are they paying it out, buying back stock or growing the capital base etc etc.
Over time you will stare to get a good understanding of the different types of businesses out there.
Ah ok. But I don't see how the amount of assets is equal to the Debt + Equity. I don't see the correlation?
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