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korrupt_1 said:
Legalise cannabis i say... its a totally natural product... nothing wrong with it if used sensibly.

unlike the other drugs like ice, e, cocaine, etc... which is un-natural and man made... weed is just harmless good fun...

i say smoke weed before a root - it'll enhance the experience... and maybe afterwards, a stiff drink to relax and chill out...
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no strong view either way BUT

as I understand, it stays detectable in your system for days to weeks.

this has very serious implications in respect of roadside drug testing (also workplace testing)

does anyone know what is the situation regarding testing thresholds, as I the implications of having an accident and returning a positive test are not at all good, and especially annoying if the cannabis was ingested a considerable time before, and had no adverse impact on driving.

I personally know a senior manager that failed a workplace test (for one of the big 2 miners), and he swore he hadnt had a smoke for at least 48 hrs
( his underlings were beside themselves with amusement).

On a further killjoy note smoking Nicotine can be classified as "Substance Abuse Disorder" under DSM IV, and that up to 90% of people suffering schizophrenia use nicotine
 
awg said:
On a further killjoy note smoking Nicotine can be classified as "Substance Abuse Disorder" under DSM IV, and that up to 90% of people suffering schizophrenia use nicotine
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LOL; would be interesting to do a further study to find out if both of their personalities smoke or only one of them ;)
 
awg said:
no strong view either way BUT

as I understand, it stays detectable in your system for days to weeks.

this has very serious implications in respect of roadside drug testing (also workplace testing)

does anyone know what is the situation regarding testing thresholds, as I the implications of having an accident and returning a positive test are not at all good, and especially annoying if the cannabis was ingested a considerable time before, and had no adverse impact on driving.

I personally know a senior manager that failed a workplace test (for one of the big 2 miners), and he swore he hadnt had a smoke for at least 48 hrs
( his underlings were beside themselves with amusement).

On a further killjoy note smoking Nicotine can be classified as "Substance Abuse Disorder" under DSM IV, and that up to 90% of people suffering schizophrenia use nicotine
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In regards to how long it stays in your system, it depends on quite a few factors, such as how active you are, your body size and how often you smoke. For a one off use by an average person they should be able to pass a standard drug urine test in 48-72 hours. But there are no guarantees as we are all different. The more you use it, the longer it will stay in your system. I had read somewhere recently that it can be detected up to 12 weeks after last use if you are a chronic user. A saliva test shows up very recent use only, and a blood test will show similar, but over a slightly longer timeframe(less than a urine test though). And if you are getting a hair test done, then you are screwed no matter how often you smoke!

Testing thresholds: standard screening level for THC is 50 ng/ml.
 
professor_frink said:
In regards to how long it stays in your system, it depends on quite a few factors, such as how active you are, your body size and how often you smoke. For a one off use by an average person they should be able to pass a standard drug urine test in 48-72 hours. But there are no guarantees as we are all different. The more you use it, the longer it will stay in your system. I had read somewhere recently that it can be detected up to 12 weeks after last use if you are a chronic user. A saliva test shows up very recent use only, and a blood test will show similar, but over a slightly longer timeframe(less than a urine test though). And if you are getting a hair test done, then you are screwed no matter how often you smoke!

Testing thresholds: standard screening level for THC is 50 ng/ml.
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thx for the informed reply.

not really an issue for me personally these days

but i have sons, and you cant control what they may get up to:eek:

your insurance is void if u have an MVA and return a + test

my acquaintance that failed the work test was a urine test.

there were lots of failures apparently, many for prescription meds

another friend who did the same test at the same time passed, even tho he said he had a puff or 2 on a joint the night before.

I remember reading when VIC police first introduced the roadside drug test, so many people were failing for cannabis, they had to change the threshold.

its a bit of an issue, cause THC stays in the fat system for ages, but probably only causes adverse affects for a few hours after use, BUT cause it is illegal, any detectable level, then you dont have a legit excuse.

an example occured recently..4 people were killed when a chasm opened on the Old Pacific Hwy near Gosford, due to flood subsidence, the fellow drove into it, cause he had detectable cannabis, they tried to say that was the problem, the Coroner said no to that
 
awg said:
as I understand, it stays detectable in your system for days to weeks.
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AWG, the effects of drugs are measured by their half life, i.e. the time from the ingestion of the drug until the time half the ingested quantity can be detected in the blood. Cannabis has a fairly long half life, i.e. usually determined to be about 24 hours, so you could reasonably expect traces to be detectable at two to three days.

Half life of heroin, on the other hand, is as little as 10 - 30 minutes, depending on purity. As a result, the user is relentlessly needing to find more.
 
Heaven is where the police are British, the cooks are French, the
mechanics German, the lovers Italian and it's all organised by the
Swiss. Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the
lover's Swiss, the police German and it's all organised by the Italians.
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Then again, ... for a quick "root with a fag chaser", call gg ;)
 
rub92me said:
LOL; would be interesting to do a further study to find out if both of their personalities smoke or only one of them ;)
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People with schizophrenia do not have multiple personalities. Multiple personality disorder is an entirely different illness altogether and is actually now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Back on topic:
If people want to slowly kill themselves by cancer stick, then that is their prerogative. Just don't do it around me thank you.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I believe smoking cigarettes should be encouraged after an enjoyable root and when enjoying a beer in good company.

I further believe it should be encouraged after a good breakfast of hash browns, bacon, egg, snags, tomatoes and baked beans.

Also it should be encouraged in individual circumstances where a heightened sensation can be achieved by the addition of a quick fix of nicotine.

It is also sensible to have a smoke when danger has been averted, in war, after car and train smashes and when a missus or husband turns feral.

I realise many wowsers will disagree , but this is my opinion.


gg
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Garpal, I understand all what you have said, and I agree with all of it, but I must say for the younger viewers: In order to achieve this status, and enjoy all the above, you have to find a balance!

How amusing this thread!

Fitness is really the best contribution to the most enduring quality of life possible, albeit, you have to enjoy it on the way! ;)
 
Gundini said:
Garpal, I understand all what you have said, and I agree with all of it, but I must say for the younger viewers: In order to achieve this status, and enjoy all the above, you have to find a balance!

How amusing this thread!

Fitness is really the best contribution to the most enduring quality of life possible, albeit, you have to enjoy it on the way! ;)
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Agree Gundini, fitness is important , as is happiness.

I feel so sorry for all those sad sausages heading off to the gym in the mornings to do their shoulders and knees in, when they could be having a gentle walk as I do.

Barack Obama is a good role model for smokers.

I'm a bit worried about him going to the gym though. He's such a long skinny fellow I wouldn't be surpised if he doesn't harm himself.

At least he enjoys a durry.

gg
 
Prospector said:
And I would like people who smoke to pay a higher medicare levy!:2twocents
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Yes Prospector, just like the old dears next door to you would prefer you to cover up when you go out of the house.

There are more old smokers than old doctors or old babes.

So dream on.

gg
 
LOL GG.


Costs to Society

In 2002, a report estimated the cost of tobacco use in Australia as $21.06 billion.3 These costs included:

loss of production or lost earnings due to illness and death,
health care costs,
loss of consumption due to illness and death.

Some costs are more difficult to quantify and may not be included. These include:

passive smoking costs,
welfare costs,
absenteeism,
ambulance services,
property costs of accidental fires.
pain and suffering of the sick and those around them.

The study estimated the gross costs in Australia of treating major diseases attributable to smoking to be around $2.25 billion.

Results from a recent study published in the Medical Journal of Australia predict a one percent drop in smoking prevalence could save about $20.4 million in health care costs.4
 
Anybody know the taxes the government makes per year on smoke sales?

I hope their not addicted to it (per stamp tax duty and the nsw gov):eek:
 
kennas said:
LOL GG.


Costs to Society

In 2002, a report estimated the cost of tobacco use in Australia as $21.06 billion.3 These costs included:

loss of production or lost earnings due to illness and death,
health care costs,
loss of consumption due to illness and death.

Some costs are more difficult to quantify and may not be included. These include:

passive smoking costs,
welfare costs,
absenteeism,
ambulance services,
property costs of accidental fires.
pain and suffering of the sick and those around them.

The study estimated the gross costs in Australia of treating major diseases attributable to smoking to be around $2.25 billion.

Results from a recent study published in the Medical Journal of Australia predict a one percent drop in smoking prevalence could save about $20.4 million in health care costs.4
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I still reckon having a smoke after a root, or when your horse comes in first in the Cup, or when your section gets back safe from the badlands , trumps all that.

gg
 
The only thing i have against smoking is the negative health affects it can have on others through passive smoking.

Alcohol has no passive effects, ie standing next to someone drinking a beer is not going to damage your health. It is only some people who drink too much that can get violent etc etc, so those people should be punished for harming others. Therefore smokers should also be punished for harming others, so higher medicare levy for smokers and RDO's for nonsmokers sounds good to me ;)
 
Prospector said:
And I would like people who smoke to pay a higher medicare levy!:2twocents
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If that were the case, wouldn't you also have to apply the same levy to people who eat a lot of junk food, fail to exercise, drink excessive alcohol etc?
 
Julia said:
If that were the case, wouldn't you also have to apply the same levy to people who eat a lot of junk food, fail to exercise, drink excessive alcohol etc?
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Please add 'drive a car' to the list - lets see accidents, CO2 gases, air pollutants etc.
 
Perhaps an assessment needs to be made of the above risk profiles and a persons ability to control them, compared to the cost to society, and then compare to smoking.
 
Totally agree kennas. But cigarette companies are just pushers let's face it.

PS Remember the Bob Newhart comedy routine.? :)

"Are you saying "snuff," Walt? What's snuff?

You take a pinch of tobacco (starts giggling) and you shove it up your nose! And it makes you sneeze, huh. I imagine it would, Walt, yeah.

Goldenrod seems to do it pretty well over here.

It has some other uses, though. You can chew it? Or put it in a pipe. Or you can shred it up and put it on a piece of paper, and roll it up - don't tell me, Walt, don't tell me- you stick in your ear, right Walt?

Oh, between your lips! Then what do you do to it? (Giggling) You set fire to it! Then what do you do Walt? You inhale the smoke!

Walt, we've been a little worried about you...you're gonna have a tough time getting people to stick burning leaves in their mouth...."
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Bob Newhart-Tobacco

PS There's another thread called "Cigarette smoke" btw. - no biggie. :2twocents

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